CSR reverb

[ianscott111]

Could the surprise be including the CSR reverb into the Sampletank 2.1 update?

[Squids]

Including a $399 plug-in in a $499 product? Hmmmm. Well, I guess since IK DID include a lot of T-Racks and AmpliTube FX in ST then anything is possible (only $800 of plug-ins which you can thank me for begging for it! ). We'll see.

Anyway, back to CSR... It is not to bad on the CPU actually. I mean, no great reverb is going to be LIGHT on your CPU but relatively speaking I am pretty happy with the version I have, although it is a pre-release one. Sounds GREAT!

[Rellik]

Maybe the secret is that SampleTank 2 will gain Kontakt-style sample importation abilities?

If that's the secret I'm going to explode I really want to try out all those various free EXS24/Giga/Kontakt multisapmles, and maybe even a smattering of commercial offerings that come in those formats (at a much later date, of course ), all from the comfort of my very own SampleTank 2.1XL

[telebunke]

So, instead it just adds up hall ambience which may sound nice but isn't necessarily going to give you the most realistic result.

Realistic? Yes we all want that. I should add sometinh from my viewpoint, regarding the reverb thing.
It is my viewpoint that these libraries are not only used to produce classical or classical sounding stuff. I'm gonna use it for Pop (I prefer to call it Pop'n'B) mainly. Do I want a concert hall flavour for that? NO!!!
I love to have the option to make it sound as close as a real concert.
And I love to have the option NOT to make it sound like that. Did you notice (I'm sure many of us are aware about this) that many songs of today are mixed veeeeeery dry?
A "perfect" library should blend into this kind of sound nicely. I'm not exactly technically aware of what that would involve, though. I'm not a sample manufactorer.
Strings, woodwinds and brass are major instruments for many contemporary music styles from HipHip to Rock to Country to "plain" Pop.
I believe that a library perfectly suited for this type of music would have a great plus for marketing.

What does that all mean? I don't really know, but I'm gonna know sometime in the future.

From this viewpoint it's cool to have some demos with unprocessed samples, so one gets a better idea of what it actually is. Doesn't even need to be a tune, could be a mere technical thig playing some notes of single instruments playing some of the articulations.

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[zai]

To me, if the samples are recorded "dry/close"...then we can play with it a little more than say "wet/far" samples (if that's making any sense at all).

That's one of the reason why I don't use EWQSL that much...don't use their "far" samples that much...just doesn't sound right...yes, it sounds great...but for the music (worship/pop style) that I ususally do, it does not work as well.

So looking forward to Miroslav...this is the "n"th time I'm saying this already!

Zai

[telebunke]

styles from HipHip to Rock
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man, I raelly got spleling prolbems thees dyas

[Squids]

I think Philharmon is very versatile for many styles of music. It isn't as flexible as some dry Sonic Reality orchestral samples in a studio at times but then it has a good balance of the acoustic space and the direct instrument. I will do some demos of it dry one way or another. I was thinking of composing a sort of Beatle-esque thing to show it in a pop context. I also want do a piece that is very film-score-like. But, I am still working on the classical demo which is difficult to work on when you get interrupted every two minutes. I might stay at home today just to finish the darn thing!

[telebunke]

But, I am still working on the classical demo which is difficult to work on when you get interrupted every two minutes. I might stay at home today just to finish the darn thing!

I hope it's not me, interrupting you too often.

Wanna save time? Load down this Cubase project, replace the sounds with something of your taste. That'll be progessive orchestra pop.
http://24.9.145.185/smf/index.php?actio ... 6.0;id=306
If you like the idea but find it too long for a demo, I could cut it into a 90 seconds version. You'd be free to re-edit it completely to your taste to attain what you need.
This project was meant as a CubaseSL-synths-only projects, so it'll load to every version of SX and play right.
I would do it for you, but I can't because I don't have Phil yet.
I imagine the drums can be nicely replaced by orchestral percussion. I'd leave the filter that is on the drums every once in a while, even though it might be a little "torture" for an orchestra sound tune. But I'm also talking of making modern stuff with it, meaning a generation after the Beatles.
Since I assmume there is no HiHats in Phil, I'd go and use shakers or a triangle (Is that the english word for it?)

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[Squids]

No KVR doesn't interrupt me unless I allow it. It's people calling or knocking on my office door all the time to ask me question. It's part of business but it is really hard to concentrate on classical music subtleties with all of that! Plus, I am a HACK classical player at best. It would take me a lot longer to do some of these tracks than some other people who do it all the time. Although, it is definitely a good excercise and one I highly recommend to people of all levels of skill to do when/if they get Philharmonik. Orchestration isnt easy! But, it sure is fun!

[pheeleep]

Could the surprise be including the CSR reverb into the Sampletank 2.1 update?

That is my guess too! Man, that would be sooo sweet. Probably a stripped down version for sure, but even that would be really cool.

[nexussynth]

To me, if the samples are recorded "dry/close"...then we can play with it a little more than say "wet/far" samples (if that's making any sense at all).

That's one of the reason why I don't use EWQSL that much...don't use their "far" samples that much...just doesn't sound right...yes, it sounds great...but for the music (worship/pop style) that I ususally do, it does not work as well.

So looking forward to Miroslav...this is the "n"th time I'm saying this already!

Zai

Actually, only the Platinum version of EWQLSO has the 'far' samples. I have Gold which is a nice balance between the far and close sampes and a good choice for most music.

The Miroslav samples seem a little closer but still not so close as to lose the body of the instruments and sections, or too far so as to lose definition.

The reason for wanting to record samples in a nice hall has more to do with acoustics and how they contribute to the timbre of an orchestral instrument, than anything to do with reverb, per se.

In a technical paper a few years ago Prof. Keith Johnson, THE top recording and acoustics scientist, detailed how the enviroment of the hall effects how an instrument sounds.

A trumpet for instance, will sound VERY different if your standing behind the player than in front.

It's the combination of direct to reflected sound that makes the instrument sound full. And this has nothing at all to do with what most people think when you say 'reverb' or 'ambience'.

So I wouldn't worry too much about the Miroslav not fitting into a pop context.

There are plenty of pop samples about. This library is a boon for those seeking realistic sounds for orchestral music.

I was a little skeptical when I first heard of this library but I also knew the SR reputation for great quality.

I am planning on getting it (fingers crossed )

[zai]

Actually...I couldn't get Gold to install properly EVER...so I was a little dissapointed.

Zai

[telebunke]

There are plenty of pop samples about. This library is a boon for those seeking realistic sounds for orchestral music.

Pop music is in need of good strings, woodwinds and or brass. I'd say a good orchestra library is the perfect pop music companion of SS2+ST2 plus the other stuff I got.
If you want control of - let's say your strings in your pop tune - you'll need a 'complete' string library. Cause you wanna have legato, staccato and so forth for every individual section, e.g. contra bass, cello, viola and violin.

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[nexussynth]

There are plenty of pop samples about. This library is a boon for those seeking realistic sounds for orchestral music.

Pop music is in need of good strings, woodwinds and or brass. I'd say a good orchestra library is the perfect pop music companion of SS2+ST2 plus the other stuff I got..

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Yeah. I'd say if you had all three of those instruments you'd be pretty much set. I think one could be contented for quite awhile.

[nexussynth]

Actually...I couldn't get Gold to install properly EVER...so I was a little dissapointed.

Zai

OT, but...

Really? Are you on a Mac or PC? The install process is a little unusual as you have to copy the .nki files yourself to your HD.

Also, NI has not had quite the success with getting the players to work on the MAC under Logic.

I am PC/XP and it installed without a hitch or glitch.

Configuring DFD is a little harder though. I would start with the recommended settings and then decrease them until you get a problem, then advance them alittle.

Also, NEVER use the DXi version! Use only the VSTi on PC and wrap it for SONAR.

SOL has a forum of it's own now. You can get a lot of help there.