Tracktion Software

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:09 am

braj wrote:I'm wondering if the dropped note bug is somehow unfixable. That's been outstanding for ages.

Ages = more than two years

As I understand it from a couple of sources (who shall remain anonymous, but who should definitely know

)...

...yes, the MIDI drop note bug is unfixable without a major rewrite of the core code.

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:23 am

And I'm guessing the stuck notes as well?

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 11:28 am

Not sure. I was never personally bothered by that

... but it may be related, and has also been around for ages... I know nothing about coding, just going on the word of a couple of dudes that know a lot.

semiquaver · Post by **semiquaver** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 1:33 pm

it just defies reason! surely a workaround bit of code could be inserted that detects the situation at the time an edit is made and keeps the clipstart and note 1 tick apart.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:23 pm

semiquaver wrote:it just defies reason! surely a workaround bit of code could be inserted that detects the situation at the time an edit is made and keeps the clipstart and note 1 tick apart.

Well, remember that ModuLR found there are three or four different issues involved here (for which his DropFix solves one). I believe that the dropped note over rewire is something different, and that the dropped note when loop recording is different again, but I may have misunderstood that.

One thing I don't understand, however, is that ModuLR worked this all out in less than one day, including producing his DropFix. SO I agree with your point that it defies reason that Jules could not have at least solved the part of the problem that ModuLR solved. In other words, why could the DropFix or something similar not be hard-wired invisibly into the signal chain so that we don't need to add ModuLR's vst fix each and every time?

As it is I have been led to be believe that these note dropping issues will not be solved until T3 or beyond...

aldi · Post by **aldi** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:31 pm

but semiquaver is right, this would help and would be possible with just a few if sentences.

aldi · Post by **aldi** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:49 pm

headquest wrote:In other words, why could the DropFix or something similar not be hard-wired invisibly into the signal chain so that we don't need to add ModuLR's vst fix each and every time?

yepp, these are things that makes my wonder too.

other examples ?! here we go:
-ofsetsnap (it is allready possible with two selected clips but not with one)
-latencyfree auxsends (modulars senderella does it fine, but ok this is tied to fixed positions of the return tracks (deeper than the send) so against tracktions concept)
-muteable clips (it's like volume for the clip down to zero while remembering the last volume set before, a few hours job i'm sure)
-lockable trackheight (a few if sentences and calculation because the can stay in relative height allready, so why not at a fixed size)
-autofade at split (well, plain easy to add 4 lines of code making the fades during the split command)
-toolbarposition at bottom (yeah when it's possible to calculate the top position it can't be much work to calculate the bottom position)

these are all longtime feature requests and without saying that i'm a better coder i'm really sure that would all be possible within 1 week. (if not one day) and we all have seen years back what jules had made on one day or a few hours. so there is another reason he's not doing it that we simply don't know. it's not that it's not possible, that's all i wanted to say and who knows, maby it's all allready done for the next release

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 2:52 pm

aldi wrote:but semiquaver is right, this would help and would be possible with just a few if sentences.

Apparently not.

Anyway, as IIRs so eloquently put it, issues like this are merely "silly little farts of nothingness" compared to the bugs which "are a lot more serious " than those we lesser mortals have spotted.

So we "scum"/"plebs" can use the workarounds while the big boys deal with the jaw-dropping show-stoppers that, erm, none of us have spotted

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:00 pm

You'll be glad when the "keyboard super-heating, exploding and showering the room in hot plastic fragments" bug is taken out of Tracktion...

... you just haven't spotted it yet.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:02 pm

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:05 pm

Also there's the "forum user-identity" bug, which causes your name on the RMS forum to inexplicably change every few weeks

jalapeno · Post by **jalapeno** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 3:11 pm

headquest wrote:
Honestly, I would like to see Tracktion succeed....
Me, too. I would genuinely like Tracktion to succeed. But I also genuinely feel that:
1. I have paid out for software that doesn't live up to its promise at the moment, and
2. The fantastic potential of tracktion could be squandered if more effort is not made to address users' concerns.

Just my personal opinion though, and I respect the fact that many here see things differently.

Kind of sums up my outlook too - Mackie need to stop making commitments they can't keep - on rebates, on release dates etc - and yes I'm of the mildy groundhog persuasion where bug fixes are concerned - I guess I'm spoilt due much better service from Ableton and The Props, Mackie should not mention something and fail to deliver, however well intentioned.

larsby · Post by **larsby** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:24 pm

maybe this is the reason : http://mackie.kenexa.com/mackiev4/exter ... asp?ID=244

Could be, couldent it? I mean now as we are guessing loudly.

what happened to Beno BTW?

braj · Post by **braj** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 5:57 pm

I saw Beno post last night.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Jun 21, 2005 6:26 pm

Beno spotting

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