News from Mackie on international upgrade path inc. plugs!

[NAS]

NAS, all fair points except one-- how could anyone be "surprised" that there's no download version? It's been said ad nauseum, but NO OTHER major sequencer is available via download. Why does everyone think that a 3 GB download should be an option?

For T1->T2 upgraders, there IS in fact a downloadable version, for the low price of $20. The rest of the people have to do it the same way that customers of Cubase, Sonar, Pro Tools, Logic, and other softwares have to do it. It's inconvenient for some people, and it'd be great if they'd allow a 3GB download (good luck... it's simply not feasible); however, it shouldn't be a "surprise".

Greg

Erm i knew all of that already and didn't need reminding like i'm a ten year old, The sequencers you have mentioned are not in the range of T and why do you compare them, What about Podium Bidule EXT, I can give you a huge list of download only sequencers so please lets not play silly little games because i stated a fact.

Who exactly do you think you are because i honestly don't see the point to you saying "No one should be surprised" because you have never met my freind and don't know anything of the situation other than what i have posted, Please keep silly remarks like those to yourself thank you.

[Lunch Money]

True enough. In a PM to someone recently, I once said, "Heck, I don't even have hard feelings for the people I argue with, like headquest or Braj... sometimes they're just like pesky siblings".

Hope that's a shared feeling.

[semiquaver]

ok logic sonar dp - every "major" package = box only.

ok that's the present and the past. but the *future* is available by download and T aspired to be the *future* of sequencing software. Lean and Mean - $80, no bs. Loved it.

[NAS]

Are we arguing ?
I thought we were discussing Mackies handling of T ?

[braj]

ok logic sonar dp - every "major" package = box only.

ok that's the present and the past. but the *future* is available by download and T aspired to be the *future* of sequencing software. Lean and Mean - $80, no bs. Loved it.

Exactly. Unless some are suggesting T follow on Cubase's path to glory? I'd hope not.

[braj]

Are we arguing ?
I thought we were discussing Mackies handling of T ?

That's what I thought. But to some that just can't be done, it isn't fair to Jules or Mackie or someone's second cousin or something.

[NAS]

Also lets be honest here, The only reason there is a download for v1 users is because it is printed here in black and white in these forums from the keyboard of Jules "I really don't see the point to boxed versions because you just have to pay extra and when you install you have to go and download the latest version anyway" paraphrazed

[Lunch Money]

WTF is with people today? Just because I mentioned something that anybody else could have mentioned doesn't mean it was reminding you like a 10-year old.

Tracktion is NOT in the same league as Podium and eXT anymore. I wish it was, most of the time. Honestly, I do. I would have loved to have downloaded my T2, complete with plugs, etc., same as anyone else. I'd like to see Jules around here every day, and all that.

But Tracktion is now competing (or trying to) with Cubase, Logic, Sonar, and THAT crowd, whether you like it or not. When Podium and eXT get 2-page spread ads, or feature articles in Electronic Musician et. al, then you can say they're in the same class.

I know that T isn't quite the same, but that doesn't mean that they're not following the same big-league marketing and distribution strategy.

Fine, I don't know your friend... but it doesn't make sense to have been surprised that a 3GB program was not downloadable. It also doesn't make sense to do or think a lot of things in this world, but people do them and think them.

Who do I think I am? Just a forum user like anyone else. Which gives me the same rights to respond, the same rights to debate, and the same right to express my view. My view is that it gets tiresome seeing the same old debates.

Along with the old school shit, you know what I'd like to see? Some of the old school users and their old school positivity, supporting each other and doing cool shit. Been a long long while, and I really am starting to miss some of the people that used to be around before all this bullshit scared them off.

Greg

[Lunch Money]

As for quoting old posts-- maybe Jules even still believes in that, but he was part of the equation. At the time he wrote that, he probably didn't anticipate international boxed marketing complete with multi-GB name-brand plug-ins.

That's like me saying in 1980, "I hate Gibson Les Paul guitars, they're heavy and don't even have a whammy bar. Plus, they're over-priced" and then you expecting me in 2005 to still believe it. Perspectives and opinions change.

I'm sure there IS still that grass-roots part of Jules, but I don't know. I'm not in communication with him, I don't know him, I couldn't even begin to make a definitive statement on what his perspective is. But what I'm offering is simply this: perspectives CAN change over time. Nothing is immutable.

Greg

[braj]

I'd wager that long-outstanding bugs, the stagnation in new features being added, and the corporatization of the product after the Mackie deal scared off at least as many people as any 'negativity' around here. All those things contributed to any negativity here as well. And I'd include 'yes-men' in the pile of negativity, because people that try to minimize issues are just as much of the problem with Tracktion as anything else IMO. Elvis was surrounded by yes-men and look at Elvis-The Vegas Years. Sad, sad, sad. You really want T3 to be the Fat Elvis of the DAW world? I didn't think so.

[semiquaver]

Greg - you need to let it go. This thread - as has been the case with many others - can start its voyage down the list to obscurity only when you let it.

[Lunch Money]

<chuckle>

I disagree, though. I know the reasons why some of them aren't around. The bugs, etc., need to be reported, fine. I'm not a "yes" man, and my bug reports are made the way I personally like them to be made.

The bugs can't in and of themselves cause negativity. It's what's done with the bugs. Sorry, but you can't spin this into a 'the fans and supporters cause just as much negativity' twirl.

Greg

[semiquaver]

But its a discipline from time to time to allow something you disagree with to stand or at least almost stand.

My father's technique was to say "well perhaps there is something in what you say". That way he had the last word without conceding except hypothetically.

[Lunch Money]

I wrote that before your post, sq. I'm not disagreeing with you.

[braj]

<chuckle>

I disagree, though. I know the reasons why some of them aren't around. The bugs, etc., need to be reported, fine. I'm not a "yes" man, and my bug reports are made the way I personally like them to be made.

The bugs can't in and of themselves cause negativity. It's what's done with the bugs. Sorry, but you can't spin this into a 'the fans and supporters cause just as much negativity' twirl.

Greg

I'm not talking about YOUR bug reports (what exactly are you thinking???)

The infamous dropped note issue, the rewire one, both of those made me go away for a long while because they were'nt being addressed. That was a loooong time ago, I've owned T for more than two and a half years, and it still isn't fixed. What am I supposed to think? Will it ever be fixed? I dunno. But I can see people being discouraged. Especially when they see periodic bug fix releases from other vendors on a very quick clip. Especially when support for Tracktion used to be that way as well.

Anyway, I'm hoping Mackie get's their stuff in line and resolves this and leaves no one any reason to complain.