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headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:00 pm

braj wrote: Any new features spotted?

Since yesterday?

erm...no!

But do go and get it. Several issues with the freeze are listed as solved now

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:01 pm

headquest wrote:I already abandoned my linear sequencer (Tracktion 2) because I was getting no joy with it. Each to their own, of course.

But I'll still be using Sibelius, Reason and Audition - perfect complements to Live 5's feature set.

I do think that Live 5 is very much a full-on DAW.

Just curious - what do you feel Reason offers that you can't get from Live + VSTs?

RawTheory · Post by **RawTheory** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:03 pm

headquest, is there a specific reason why Reasons Redrum doesn't get the job done for ya

braj · Post by **braj** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:06 pm

kuniklo wrote:
headquest wrote:I already abandoned my linear sequencer (Tracktion 2) because I was getting no joy with it. Each to their own, of course.

But I'll still be using Sibelius, Reason and Audition - perfect complements to Live 5's feature set.

I do think that Live 5 is very much a full-on DAW.
Just curious - what do you feel Reason offers that you can't get from Live + VSTs?

CPU savings, besides if you already own Reason you don't need to buy more synths/samplers. And Combinator is cool. I personally find Reason to be a very dynamic 'instrument' for me and it is really easy for me to get exactly the sounds I want from it, whereas I have a harder time getting what I want from a lot of VSTis.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:08 pm

kuniklo wrote: Just curious - what do you feel Reason offers that you can't get from Live + VSTs?

I mostly use Reason instead of VSTs. I think that you get a decent rack of gear for a good price with Reason, basically. I like all the modules in it, and when I priced up alternatives I found I would need to spend significantly more to get the VST equivalents I would personally go for.

Also, because I teach keybaord and electronic music, Reason is a popular package for use in schools, and has excellent developer support for the educational market. So I'm kind of killing two birds with one stone

I do think there are a few distinctives that you get with Reason, too, such as lower CPU overhead, REX player, tiny song files for exchanging/sharing/collaberating over the net, nice refills (a good refill - and there a lots of good free ones - is like getting a new synth many times!)...etc.

z15 · Post by **z15** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:09 pm

headquest, yup i have no doubt that live isn't a proper DAW by now. it's just that some types of songs i work on seem to come easier with a logic-style more traditional workflow, others benefit from live's hands on-approach. of course i need some more practise with live since i've only made one or two full tunes with it so far and never owned it myself - compared to some 3 years of logic. we'll see

i do hope more beta serials are distributed soon.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:12 pm

RawTheory wrote:headquest, is there a specific reason why Reasons Redrum doesn't get the job done for ya

I love Redrum

It is my first port of call...

...but I'm growing to also really love impulse. And I prefer the way you can sequence impulse patterns in Live (seeing all 8 lanes at once) then sequencing Redrum patterns in Reason... but I DO still love Redrum too!

Also I like Redrums kits, and plan to get Reason Drums refill sometime soon. But I sometimes sequencer redrum from Live.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:12 pm

braj wrote: CPU savings, besides if you already own Reason you don't need to buy more synths/samplers. And Combinator is cool. I personally find Reason to be a very dynamic 'instrument' for me and it is really easy for me to get exactly the sounds I want from it, whereas I have a harder time getting what I want from a lot of VSTis.

Yep... what he said

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:13 pm

zion15 wrote:i do hope more beta serials are distributed soon.

About a week, then everyone's in!

braj · Post by **braj** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:14 pm

One more thing about using Reason and Live in combination: you have one consistent UI concept for all your synths. I have a second LCD monitor set up 'sideways' and at 768x1024, Reason's rack fits the screen perfectly, so I always have my synths in view. I still use VSTis, but Reason makes me feel like I have some sort of consistent 'hardware' set up.

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:21 pm

braj wrote:One more thing about using Reason and Live in combination: you have one consistent UI concept for all your synths. I have a second LCD monitor set up 'sideways' and at 768x1024, Reason's rack fits the screen perfectly, so I always have my synths in view. I still use VSTis, but Reason makes me feel like I have some sort of consistent 'hardware' set up.

Makes sense.

Isn't rewire kind of a hassle? Don't you have to save the Live set and the Reason file separately and make sure you keep them in sync?

Just asking. I've never done this myself.

ericj23 · Post by **ericj23** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:21 pm

ok i was looking at this becuase i always get sucked in by the hype - and after p5v2 i was hoping that this might be the scratchpad i need

but does it still only automate the the first 128 controls on a vst ?

and does it still not like sample tank and kontakt ?

kuniklo · Post by **kuniklo** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:26 pm

ericj23 wrote: and does it still not like sample tank and kontakt ?

I haven't had any problems with Live 4 and Kontakt. What specfically is the issue?

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:26 pm

kuniklo wrote: Isn't rewire kind of a hassle? Don't you have to save the Live set and the Reason file separately and make sure you keep them in sync?

Yes, you do, but it's hardly a hassle! You simply click "yes" in the "Save?" box when Reason shuts down

I personally think that the benefits of Rewire outweigh the cons.

braj · Post by **braj** » Wed Jun 22, 2005 6:29 pm

kuniklo wrote:
braj wrote:One more thing about using Reason and Live in combination: you have one consistent UI concept for all your synths. I have a second LCD monitor set up 'sideways' and at 768x1024, Reason's rack fits the screen perfectly, so I always have my synths in view. I still use VSTis, but Reason makes me feel like I have some sort of consistent 'hardware' set up.
Makes sense.

Isn't rewire kind of a hassle? Don't you have to save the Live set and the Reason file separately and make sure you keep them in sync?

Just asking. I've never done this myself.

I just have a standard rack set up as my default Reason template and don't save off songs in Reason, so there isn't anything to keep in sync. All the midi stuff is done in Live and I render to audio a lot as well. Also, I believe Live5 allows you to freeze Rewire tracks so I'm guessing this will become even easier to deal with.

Another reason I do this is that my Mac lappy is old and can run a bunch of stuff in Reason/Live4 much better than Live4 with AU or VSTis. And everything it cross-platform compatible, so no matter where I am I have a consistent environment (my DAW is a PC).

Live 5 beta