Snapshot Automation

[spacefox]

Hmm, guess i'm going to have to look through this board more to see what's lacking.

I was looking at some other thread about something else, and a Tracktion user was saying that Tracktion could do anything Cubase SX can do (Cubase can't do snapshots either, btw), so I was thinking Tracktion is pretty full featured

I'm not that familiar with SX, but Tracktion probably CAN'T do anything it does.
Cubase is a well-matured programs (that's 5 VST versions and 3 SX's, right?) developed by a whole team of developers. Tracktion is a young app and is pretty much a one-man-show.

I like the general idea that Tracktion is supposed to be simple and straight forward and about making music, unlike so many other piles of software

What Tracktion has to offer is exactly that: being simple and straight forward. For some people this makes up for any missing feature, for some it doesn't.

Some people treat their own needs as some sort of standard: if it does anything I want it to, it must do anything there is to do.

[ObsoleteAcc99]

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[Lunch Money]

How can I not need clip-based automation? Because I don't need it. Just me. Can't speak for everyone.

First off, I almost never use automation, so that eliminates most of the need right there.

Second, a lot of times when I know I have the effects and sounds that I want, all automated nicely, I just render the clip so that I can move it wherever I want. This is rare, though, because:

Third, yes, I arrange everything before I automate. You underestimate how simple arrangements and simple approaches can get rid of all the headaches people complain about. First note bug? Not a problem here. PDC issues? Never had any... and clip-based automation, not even a glimmer of concern for me.

I write a song on paper, I even arrange it on paper. I record it, audition it, and filter out parts I don't want, sometimes re-rendering for simplicity, but not usually. I take the leftover elements, line them up and tweak them. Volume fades are done by cutting clips and then dragging the little handle, rather than using an automation track. Then, when everything is lined up and sounding good as a basic track, mixing begins, using static elements (so, automation still not introduced). This phase completed, if there's anything remaining that needs to be automated, I go in and do it. But since it's nearly a finished product anyhow, no, I don't need to nudge.

Once I start using automation more creatively for creative effects, I'll probably want it. But for now I'm still having fun with a normal "rock-band" setup, with no need for effects weirdness beyond what I can create with my two hands, a guitar, and a delay plug-in.

Greg

[Mr. Tingle]

First off, I almost never use automation, so that eliminates most of the need right there.

lol

No wonder you don't care.

But for those who use automation alot it becomes more necessary, and actually annoying and tiresome to have to cut and paste all the time.

If only the automation properties panel had a x-axis slider as well as a y-axis one it'd make things one hell of a lot easier.

[Lunch Money]

Well... sure! My point wasn't that the automation is perfect the way it is, my only point was that some people need clip automation and some don't. I don't. That's about it. Nothing deep or covert going on.

[JPGR11]

It seems to me to be a better use of time to figure out what YOU need in a host, and then making sure Tracktion has it.

Greg

Well...that's what I'm doing...

what I need, or would like, is snapshot automation...

but...since most every DAW doesn't have it (have to check samplitude and then my wallet), I'm still considering Tracktion...

and I was just curious as to what people who use it feel it's lacking...

1. no snapshot
2. no clip automation (I'm not even sure what this is, I assume it's automation directly on a piece of audio , not the track, and therefore goes wherever the clip goes, right?

[valley]

2. no clip automation (I'm not even sure what this is, I assume it's automation directly on a piece of audio , not the track, and therefore goes wherever the clip goes, right?

Yup.

A very oft requested feature. Who knows, we may even get it one day...

There *are* things that Tracktion lacks, and you will certainly bump into some of them quickly enough. What Tracktion offers is a base on which you can just get stuff done quickly. If you need a fast and mostly streamlined working environment, Tracktion is a good investment. If you are looking for the swiss army knife of sequencers, you may find it limited for your needs.

Either way you should spend time with the demo, 'cos that's the only way you'll ever know.

[Lunch Money]

It seems to me to be a better use of time to figure out what YOU need in a host, and then making sure Tracktion has it.

Greg

Well...that's what I'm doing...

what I need, or would like, is snapshot automation...

but...since most every DAW doesn't have it (have to check samplitude and then my wallet), I'm still considering Tracktion...

Well, this part's fair enough.

and I was just curious as to what people who use it feel it's lacking...

It's just this part that can turn into nothing but muck for you. You'll discover that each of us has at least one feature (usually something that's present in at least one other host) that we think Tracktion lacks. ttoz's thread about the subject is a good place to look for your answers to this question. I listed 2 things myself. I wasn't trying to cut you down or anything, just giving you a realistic vision of this forum, in which there are dozens of feature requests that are often particular to a certain demographic.

Greg