Tracktion2 would be the world's best audio host if:

[jens]

However, I have a much stronger belief that the developer will add this functionality quickly, and is more interested in making a highly functional product.

I like Tracktion, especially the rack filters. Don't get me wrong. But there's something about the 'attitude' of energyxt that I'm really liking a lot more.

Yes - that's exactly the reason why I switched from Tracktion to eXT.

Jorgen cares about his users while Jules appears to give a shit...


funny enough is that you can see that a lot of Tracktion's users seem to have adopted the same attitude as the developer...

[semiquaver]

drool - then take it to the Ext forum! - I didn't know that 'attitude' was a 'pro' feature!

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and jens - I didn't come to T for 'caring' from big daddy developer.

I like the way its set up!

[droolmaster0]

However, I have a much stronger belief that the developer will add this functionality quickly, and is more interested in making a highly functional product.

I like Tracktion, especially the rack filters. Don't get me wrong. But there's something about the 'attitude' of energyxt that I'm really liking a lot more.

Yes - that's exactly the reason why I switched from Tracktion to eXT.

Jorgen cares about his users while Jules appears to give a shit...


funny enough is that you can see that a lot of Tracktion's users seem to have adopted the same attitude as the developer...

There is something about Energyxt that really excites me. It reminds me in a way about when I first purchased Logic - wayyyy back when it was version 1.2 before they even had an audio version. It was not very well known then, but you could just tell that it was something special. Whether it still is, is something for debate - personally, I think that isn't. I love the modular concept, and as far as I can tell, Energyxt does it better than anyone (well Bidule does it well, but doesn't have much in the way of sequencing also).

I'm a beginner with it, but I have a strong sense of confidence that I will stay with it for awhile.

But dumbing down a product because you're afraid that non serious users might become confused? That really pissed me off about Tracktion. Better bail out now, because it just ain't gonna happen...

[semiquaver]

Even we serious users (wink!) don't like to be confused!

If you like modular have a look at Max/MSP. As awesome as it is (and I think it is fair to say you could build whatever sequencer/synth you want out of it) I control it from T (and mix in T. Why? Because it is simple, flexible, logical and the frigging interface works!!

Getting pissed off because someone in support didn't fluff your 'serious user' ego is well... shallow?

[semiquaver]

ok folks - I'll relinquish the soapbox... got a mix to do.

[droolmaster0]

drool - then take it to the Ext forum! - I didn't know that 'attitude' was a 'pro' feature!

hmmm - so what I said had nothing to do with the thread? Obviously it did, so I guess you're someone who cannot tolerate criticism of his software. There is surgery that you can have for that.

And quite obviously, I did not say that attitude was a pro feature.

[semiquaver]

Drool: Criticism of T is one thing (something I tolerate fine) - its discussion of your feelings about eXT that I thought would be more appropriate over there!

And you didn't offer any concrete criticism, ie something we could discuss or benefit from. You simply asserted that it had been dumbed down and that you liked eXT better. Well there is a Hosts forum for these kind of comparative discussions!

[AD80]

are you mad? There is nothing wrong with encouraging Mackie to make it the best!

Threatening to leave is hardly a way of encouragement. I know what you mean ttoz but the way a lot of people act around here could hardly be called "encouragement".

[droolmaster0]

Even we serious users (wink!) don't like to be confused!

If you like modular have a look at Max/MSP. As awesome as it is (and I think it is fair to say you could build whatever sequencer/synth you want out of it) I control it from T (and mix in T. Why? Because it is simple, flexible, logical and the frigging interface works!!

Getting pissed off because someone in support didn't fluff your 'serious user' ego is well... shallow?

Wow - you are a serious asshole. I LIKE Tracktion. MAX/MSP is NOT a host - is it - it is more of a programming envirnoment, which is fine.

I ran into obstacles that were not programming obstacles, but limitations in the midi-routing capabilities of Tracktion. Yes - Tracktion has a nice interface. But I simply don't believe that it will go in the direction that I want it to go. EnergyXT also has a nice interface - but I think that the attitude of the developer(s) is a lot better, for my tastes. So that is what I am learning to use right now.

Tracktion if just fine - you SHOULD use it if you don't run into critical limitations. That is not mutually exclusive with my concern that they are a little too hell bent on making the program 'easy to use' at the expense of functionality. That was pretty much told to me directly in my conversation - and my inference was that this was by design of the developers, not simply by whim of the rep.

I tried explaining to this guy that the program didn't need to become more difficult, and suggested that they look at Bidule to see how well external MIDI routing could be integrating into the audio routing of the rack filter. But I think that they are afraid of losing their particular user base.

I love the rack filter of Tracktion. But EnergyXT is brilliant (also). I just think that the time spent learning it will be time much better spent for me. Sorry if that rankles you so much.

[AD80]

Better bail out now, because it just ain't gonna happen...

Sounds like you got everything pretty much figured out then. Now go make some music.

[droolmaster0]

Better bail out now, because it just ain't gonna happen...

Sounds like you got everything pretty much figured out then. Now go make some music.

Wow - some seriously defensive users around here. I don't want to spend my time saving all of my shit in Tracktion if it isn't going to go in the direction I want. Make sense?

Subtext - if you are not concerned that Tracktion isn't doing what you want it to do, or is going to do it in the near future - by all means use it. It is a very well designed program, and a pleasure to use. There - happy?

I responded to the thread's title - but apparently honesty isn't welcome here - which is starting to turn me off to Tracktion's user base.

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drool: what were trying to do with MIDI routing? that at least is something we could profitably discuss!

[semiquaver]

sorry thats: what were you trying to do with MIDI routing and rack filters?

[droolmaster0]

drool: what were trying to do with MIDI routing? that at least is something we could profitably discuss!

Well, ok - but remember -that wasn't the topic of the thread.

hah - now the question is - can I remember exactly what it was. So, if I get this wrong, don't kill me.

What I was trying to do: I wanted to take the input of an external hardware sequencer (a p3 - one seriously fine piece of hardware), and control various things through Tracktion. Something that is seriously easy in Bidule. In addition to controlling a softsynth or two, I wanted to split the output (by channel) to multiple external MIDI synths.

I ran into some obstacles. So - how do you take the MIDI input from one port and split it up into multiple external outputs? The port is only available on a single track. That's simply the way that Tracktion works. So, to split the output by channel, it seemed to me that using the Rack Filter was the way to go.

However - what you'll find if you send MIDI through the rack filter to an external output is that the events are doubled - they are sent both through the track itself, and throught the rack filter. This was verified by the rep after much consultation with some people there. And my impression was that it was a deliberate limitation - they limited the functionality of the rack filter because people might be confused.

Yes - you can bring in another host as a rewire or vst instrument and get around this. But it's my impression that this kind of functionality will be available soon in EnergyXT. And frankly, the more I use EnergyXT, I find that its interface is just as intuitive as Tracktions.

Hell - anyone here ever tried SQ4 - now that is a seriously great step sequencer/host. Not without issues, but I really think it's worth looking into if you like taking a sequence and treating some of its important parameters independently - notes, timing, duration, velocities, controllers, etc.

And, while I"m partially digressing - that's another thing that's great about EnergyXT that Traction can't do - and isn't that really the thread's theme - you can use it as a vst instrument. So, I can use SQ4 - which can only host one vst instrument at a time, with EnergyXT as its instrument, and control multiple instruments simultaneously. Personally, I think that (in the context of the "world's best audio host" is a serious consideration) - is this host useable to me in the widest variety of contexts? I can use EnergyXT within Bidule when its warranted, as a stand alone when it's warranted, or to telekinetically control Nancy Reagan when it's warranted, which is most of the time.

I'm babbling, aren't I?