a mixing screen?
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- KVRian
- 1272 posts since 11 Apr, 2002 from Nashville, TN
Yeah that's true cool. Nice thing about the tracktion volume/pan though is that you see it's level without clicking on it.
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- KVRist
- 36 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Often in the bathroom...
I downloaded daniel's mixer. One click- mixer view; one click- back to the Tracktion interface. What's the bfd about that? 
Now, say a mixer was included with Tracktion that behaved like that. If you don't want to look at a mixer, then don't click the button. Whoopdee doo!
I just really don't get the attitude of "we absolutely will not give you a mixer, and that's final!" attitude
Now, say a mixer was included with Tracktion that behaved like that. If you don't want to look at a mixer, then don't click the button. Whoopdee doo!
I just really don't get the attitude of "we absolutely will not give you a mixer, and that's final!" attitude
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I don't think RMS or Mackie are saying that. 
I agree, though... use it if you want, don't use it if you don't want.
Whenever I've been 'against' it, it hasn't been so much against the option, but rather against spending time on something I don't personally need. I'd rather see inline Acid loop support, for example. Purely selfish.
I agree, though... use it if you want, don't use it if you don't want.Whenever I've been 'against' it, it hasn't been so much against the option, but rather against spending time on something I don't personally need. I'd rather see inline Acid loop support, for example. Purely selfish.
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- KVRAF
- 1615 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
I for one would like to see a creative new solution - like the big meters which take no screen real estate at all and keep the wyswyg thing going. I think the most important "mixer like" things missing are : ) some way to see what track are routed where - that info is buried currently. Likewise a way to see whats going on with the controller mapping.
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
i still would love a proper mixer in tracktion 
the vst mixers take to much cpu once you put them in a rack & connect them to all the tracks
its tru you dont need a mixer in tracktion! but it would still be nice
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the vst mixers take to much cpu once you put them in a rack & connect them to all the tracks
its tru you dont need a mixer in tracktion! but it would still be nice
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- KVRAF
- 1615 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
I think something as simple as tiny callibration marks on the vol filters might make the output section more "mixer like".
The crucial thing to preserve about the current scheme is the modularity and flexibility: you can have a lot off vol filters or none, sends wherever you want in the chain etc. Any mixer shouldn't freeze out any of the options.
The crucial thing to preserve about the current scheme is the modularity and flexibility: you can have a lot off vol filters or none, sends wherever you want in the chain etc. Any mixer shouldn't freeze out any of the options.
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- KVRist
- 36 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Often in the bathroom...
Some folks have posted that Tracktion's lack of a mixer may influence some potential customers choice in a DAW away from Tracktion.
I'm in that category. M-Box with Pro Tools LE or Spike with T2? It's a $50 difference.
I'm shying away from the latter choice, mostly due to the bugs I've read about that have yet to be addressed/fixed. Lack of a mixer just adds to the list.
There are things I like about T1, and that's why I've not made any final decision. But if all else is about equal, a mixer, or lack thereof, may tip the scale.
But hey, what do I know...
I'm in that category. M-Box with Pro Tools LE or Spike with T2? It's a $50 difference.
I'm shying away from the latter choice, mostly due to the bugs I've read about that have yet to be addressed/fixed. Lack of a mixer just adds to the list.
There are things I like about T1, and that's why I've not made any final decision. But if all else is about equal, a mixer, or lack thereof, may tip the scale.
But hey, what do I know...
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- KVRian
- 991 posts since 16 Feb, 2005 from USA
the mbox is not that great of a Pre..you can get a firebox, which is a much beter pre and T2 and have a way better sounding mix then the protools LE setup. ProTools is really still aimed at studios with huge wallets who can afford all the TDM plugs and Protools HD, because if you think VSTis run as smooth on PT as tracktion, think again..the bugs in Protools are way more then in Tracktion if you are a home studio user. Now maybe you aren't, but I would strongly reconsider the Mbox Prtools combo..this is coming from a guy who had it, and got a firebox and Tracktion and is way happier.
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- KVRAF
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
you know what you want. that's what you know. and that's what a company has to give their customers, to stay alive against the other more full featured and complete softwares.Big_D wrote: But hey, what do I know...
i love T and will always buy and use it in some fashion, but for it to make it into my permanent "essentials for my pc" slot, it will have to have some form of at least simple faders view, and the like. it wouldn't be hard to accomplish. and if you need other things added, hire another guy to work with julian. he could probably use the help.
a DAW is a personal thing, and i think thats why so many people get hot in here about certain FR. but if certain things were disable-able, or available on another tab or at the little effects block at the bottom of T, then we wouldn't have a problem at all.
how about" right click on the volume filter" gives you an option to check "mixer" and then you can operate for a sec with the mixer at the bottom, then right click on the bottom section to pull it up or make it go away.
that'd be simple. one click away from havingit there, or not. i dont know how that would affect the programming, but it'd really be sweet and simple.
just another idea. not meant to take away from the integrity of T.
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- KVRAF
- 1820 posts since 28 Mar, 2005
i had a digidesign 002r, with a two 8channel pres in one space racks, that ran into the back and acted as a mixerless recording system for live gigs and home recordings at rehearsal sessions and other kinds of sessions at my local university at the radio station and in other treated rooms in the music dept, and on the street at clubs, one arena event and a slew of my own songs at home. it worked fine until it came time to mix down. then it went downhill. everything was screwed up. i finally got sick of it. it's not and never will be a live recording device. and besides that, the lugins were so hungry that my cpu was pegged most of the time, even running high buffers. it was a crappy wild ride. and now im glad it is over.stash98 wrote:the mbox is not that great of a Pre..you can get a firebox, which is a much beter pre and T2 and have a way better sounding mix then the protools LE setup. ProTools is really still aimed at studios with huge wallets who can afford all the TDM plugs and Protools HD, because if you think VSTis run as smooth on PT as tracktion, think again..the bugs in Protools are way more then in Tracktion if you are a home studio user. Now maybe you aren't, but I would strongly reconsider the Mbox Prtools combo..this is coming from a guy who had it, and got a firebox and Tracktion and is way happier.
tracktion allows me many more plugs. more stability. i can afford to have the waves plugs, and my antares..although i have to get my antares working in tracktion, and i can get a slew of free plugs off the net and evaluate them and ditch them if i want, instead of going broke buying a simple compressor and then finding out that it sucks and digidesign just put it out to make some more bucks off of the stupid suckers out there like me.
i hate digidesign for all they're worth. and im proud to say it. they suck hard ones. and ill be a tracktioneer for the rest of my life, if it's here. im sold!
the only reason i would ever have an mbox around is so that i could tell a client i had pro tools. haha! and i'd feel guilty as hell doing so. pro tools le is NOT pro tools. it is a limited scaled down teaser version of a product that is very nice. but the pro tools le systems are there to rip off poor unsuspecting audio recording enthusiasts. period. theres no other reason its there. try one for a year and you'll understand. have one for a month and you're still reeling in the glory of thinking you have pro tools. but until you get some real world experience with that crap, youre living in a dreamland my valued friends. stay away from it. its the devil.
done...
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- KVRAF
- 16154 posts since 2 Dec, 2003 from Nashville, TN
Your accusations about PTLE not really being PT are not exactly right. I'm a loyal Tracktion user, and for my own recordings, it's what I use. However, I do have the Mbox, and therefore PTLE. I also mess with the FULL PT HD3 and TDM systems every single day, in the studio I'm in and elsewhere. And for the home recorder, it IS a viable solution. It's not THAT limited. Sure, the extra plug-ins would be nice, but it's not a showstopper to not have the TDM plugs. There are a hundred things in PT that Tracktion can't do. And I'm talking the LE version.
I don't understand why some people here just seem to hate PT but when giving their reasons, they seem to be based on personal opinion. I do believe you have worked with all versions and legitimately know what you are talking about, but you've been a bit too hard on PT I'm afraid(this only being MY opinion, nothing more). PTLE is a VERY great product for someone recording at home. And if you work in a studio, like me, it can be very valuable to have when you're asked to tune some vocals on a mix while you're at home. I do wish I had a Control 24 myself, but it's not happening.
I will give you this. PT can be VERY expensive if you want the full setup. Upwards of $30,000 if you just go for broke. And no, that is not for every home musician.
Brings me back to the subject. I love, and will use Tracktion, for as long as I can see at the moment, for anything that is my own project. Tracktion brings ease of use further than any other app. It's very hard to argue against that. And the lack of a traditional mixer isn't a bad thing. It's all in the name of workflow. And Tracktion has things set up so well. I can get better mixes on T than any other software I've used.
I do understand why some people would want a mixer, I really do. And I do wish that we could have one for those people's sakes. But to say that the lack of one effects your workflow is hard to swallow. Plain and simple, it's more buttons to push, more screens to watch, for something that's already very well represented in T. So once again, I say. We don't NEED a mixer, but maybe they will give us one anyway.
I think this post just ran together and may not make sense. Just ignore me.
Koolkeys
I don't understand why some people here just seem to hate PT but when giving their reasons, they seem to be based on personal opinion. I do believe you have worked with all versions and legitimately know what you are talking about, but you've been a bit too hard on PT I'm afraid(this only being MY opinion, nothing more). PTLE is a VERY great product for someone recording at home. And if you work in a studio, like me, it can be very valuable to have when you're asked to tune some vocals on a mix while you're at home. I do wish I had a Control 24 myself, but it's not happening.
I will give you this. PT can be VERY expensive if you want the full setup. Upwards of $30,000 if you just go for broke. And no, that is not for every home musician.
Brings me back to the subject. I love, and will use Tracktion, for as long as I can see at the moment, for anything that is my own project. Tracktion brings ease of use further than any other app. It's very hard to argue against that. And the lack of a traditional mixer isn't a bad thing. It's all in the name of workflow. And Tracktion has things set up so well. I can get better mixes on T than any other software I've used.
I do understand why some people would want a mixer, I really do. And I do wish that we could have one for those people's sakes. But to say that the lack of one effects your workflow is hard to swallow. Plain and simple, it's more buttons to push, more screens to watch, for something that's already very well represented in T. So once again, I say. We don't NEED a mixer, but maybe they will give us one anyway.
I think this post just ran together and may not make sense. Just ignore me.
Koolkeys
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- KVRist
- 415 posts since 14 Dec, 2004
If its any help, I had a bug with the MMC so I posted in the forums...whaday know Beno chimes in and asks me a few things...before you know it the team swings into action and they have a fix for me to try within 12hours. Its not fixed yet but if you can get that kind of support from Digi then good luck.Big_D wrote:Some folks have posted that Tracktion's lack of a mixer may influence some potential customers choice in a DAW away from Tracktion.
I'm in that category. M-Box with Pro Tools LE or Spike with T2? It's a $50 difference.
I'm shying away from the latter choice, mostly due to the bugs I've read about that have yet to be addressed/fixed. Lack of a mixer just adds to the list.
Moreover, Ive been annoyed at some features, MIDI, MIXER etc., but the more I use it, the less I miss that crap, I've had to relearn using and working in certain ways but 9 times out of 10 T has just shown me a better more efficient logical way of doin' things. I personally think ditchin a mixer helps with that. I mean why not get an external control surface to control your final mixes, your gonna get way better results even with the cheapest of motorised or non motorised interfaces than clickin' your mouse on a single fader.
Good luck whatever you decide.
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- KVRian
- 1120 posts since 21 Jul, 2004
The mixer idea seems like it might be a good area for a 3rd party to cash in on Tracktion's success (strong and getting stronger by the moment, by my estimation) by developing an add-on. A fully skinable 'mixing desk' for Tracktion is something I would consider buying. Tracktion's developer could offer input, but otherwise be free of any real responsibility for making any drastic design/philosophy changes to his creation.
In terms of skinability, a 'tracktion style' skin would be great, but I also wouldn't mind seeing some that are more traditional. They might even be able to add 'sends' and the like and have them automatically configure sends in Tracktion when used.
This way, folks who want a mixer can get one. Folks who don't never have to see it.
Just thinking out loud . . .
In terms of skinability, a 'tracktion style' skin would be great, but I also wouldn't mind seeing some that are more traditional. They might even be able to add 'sends' and the like and have them automatically configure sends in Tracktion when used.
This way, folks who want a mixer can get one. Folks who don't never have to see it.
Just thinking out loud . . .