Tracktion Software

Mauvehead · Post by **Mauvehead** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 6:33 pm

I did the latest .13 update and now suddenly I am having random clicks and pops when rendering. I thought this update was supposed to have a cure for this. The ironic things is that it never did this to me before the update. What's up?!

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:05 pm

is it on all tunes or just one inpetucula?

Subject

Mauvehead · Post by **Mauvehead** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:08 pm

So far just on one song. And the pops keep showing up in the same places in this particular song. Weird. It never did this before. Also, the song monitors just fine when inside T2. It only pops after rendering. Any guesses?

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 8:13 pm

Are you using Kontakt or any NI-based plugins in this song? Also, is it the entire edit that's not rendering, or specific tracks within the edit?

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Wed Jul 13, 2005 9:54 pm

Have you tried rendering using the 1X Play speed option?

Mauvehead · Post by **Mauvehead** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:36 am

I'm using 4 instances of Spectrasonics Atmosphere, the Erik Wollo Spacer, Blood Overdrive, Kjaerhus Classic Comp, Buzzroom GeneComp, TLS Saturated Driver, Ohmboyz Echo, DigitalFishPhones Blockfish, Le Barrail Porte-Plume, and the Dasample Glaceverb on tracks. All of that is getting mastered through Mackie's Final Mix and Voxengo's SPAN. I had rendered this combination before when using the previous T2 version with no problems whatsoever. This doesn't make sense. And yes I tried to render using the 1x option and the pops and crackles occur at the exact same places. Any thoughts?

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 12:46 am

Build a new song around the pops and crackles?

Can you isolate the track? Mute one and then render. Or solo one track and render that. And also mute one effect at a time and then render. My guess is an odd interaction between one or more of the plugs. I'd be curious about what happens if you freeze the tracks.

Let us know what you find out. Happy turboshooting!

Mauvehead · Post by **Mauvehead** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:50 am

Removing the GeneComp got rid of two of the clicks but there are still others. When I rendered each track seperately the only problem was with the GeneComp. But in spite of this, why should I suddenly have to remove a plug that wasn't a problem before this latest T2 update? This sort of crap makes me hang on to my old hardware recording equipment. And while I'm griping, in another song where I have around 20 audio tracks going with only the plugs being the T2's native 4-band EQ (7 instances) I have all kinds of dropouts despite whatever sort of latency I set. If this software is supposed to have "unlimited" tracks (depending of course on PC speed/Ram/etc) then why the problems. I'm running a Toshiba laptop (optimized for audio) with a P4 3.33 and 1 GB of RAM. Shouldn't that suffice??

Good grief.....

Mauvehead · Post by **Mauvehead** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 5:44 am

I rendered without Final Mix and the pops all cleared up. I was using the stock preset "Acuma CD Mastering". Would anyone else mind rendering something using that preset just to see if it's just me? Again, this wan't an issue before I updated to v.13. Hmmmmm.......

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:21 am

Hmmm...Have you messed with the 'denormal' settings? This could be a denormal problem. It sure ain't normal. 20 tracks should not cak and click, unless the hard drive is slow and very fragged. Does the dreaded "!" mark display in the cpu meter box when it's caking?

Mauvehead · Post by **Mauvehead** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 6:48 am

mandolarian wrote:Hmmm...Have you messed with the 'denormal' settings? This could be a denormal problem. It sure ain't normal. 20 tracks should not cak and click, unless the hard drive is slow and very fragged. Does the dreaded "!" mark display in the cpu meter box when it's caking?

Not sure about the denormal setting.....will check on that. The "!" lights up when the audio drops out but the CPU meter doesn't max out accordingly. Normally the CPU meter shows approx 15-20% usage, even when the ! shows up. The hard drive is the stock 100 GB 5400RPM drive that came with the laptop. I do have an Iomega 160 GB 7200RPM USB drive that I use to back stuff up with but I'd rather not have to carry it around everywhere if I didn't have to. Would that drive make that much of a difference? Also, I defrag at least once a week if not more.

Mr. Tingle · Post by **Mr. Tingle** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:31 am

Maybe a setting has been changed/ reset in the audio settings panel during the update? Check Real time priority mode etc.

If your livelyhood depends on recording it is standard practice to only update between jobs as teething problems are to be expected. So try not to get all frustrated, these things are part of the deal. You can always wait a couple of weeks before upgrading and monitor the board.

mandolarian · Post by **mandolarian** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 7:53 am

Mauvehead wrote:Not sure about the denormal setting.....will check on that. The "!" lights up when the audio drops out but the CPU meter doesn't max out accordingly. Normally the CPU meter shows approx 15-20% usage, even when the ! shows up. The hard drive is the stock 100 GB 5400RPM drive that came with the laptop. I do have an Iomega 160 GB 7200RPM USB drive that I use to back stuff up with but I'd rather not have to carry it around everywhere if I didn't have to. Would that drive make that much of a difference? Also, I defrag at least once a week if not more.

The ! is T's way of telling you the disk is too slow. Bummer. But it maybe that there are a large number of edits of a single file on a track or tracks. If that's the case you can reduce the tedious disk seeks by rendering that track into one long smooooth file.

Beno · Post by **Beno** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:20 am

Hmm this is strange. If removing final mix cleared it up, I'll take a look at rendering with the new version of final in T2.0.1.13. I'm not supprised your getting audio drop outs casued by too much disk activity (! showing) if your using that slow stock hard drive with that many tracks. In fact, I'm supprised you've gotten that far.
Ben

ceenda · Post by **ceenda** » Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:24 am

I had this happen last night after updating T2. Though Final Mix was popping and crackling in the reverse scenario (realtime as apposed to the render, which was fine). There was just one audio track that I wanted to adjust in Final Mix a little bit.

That said, I didn't do a plugin rescan after installing the new T2 update though. That couldn't affect it, though? I'll do more testing tonight and see if I can isolate what's causing it, might help your situation a bit.

If worst comes to the worst, you could stick the freeware version of TapeIt into the master section and record the realtime audio?

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