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soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:11 pm

BONES wrote:
soulkraka wrote:How many of these genres are black innovations? how many are white?
BLACK: All the enduring, popular ones but none of the good ones.
WHITE: All of the good ones, none of the enduring popular ones.

That said, I readily admit that I like black music (so I am biased) and dont always like the results when the style mutates and starts getting produced by whites (ie TARNCE, limp bisquik etc).
I can almost guarantee that I will not like anything with any kind of black influence. Its how I divide the rock music I like from the rock I don't like - British rock has far less blues influence in general and American rock [I don't like] is tainted by blues influence.
Just to be clear, these are my labels and there are British rock bands doing American rock [Dire Straits] and American rock bands who do British rock [Green Day]. But the point is that the black influence ruins it every time.

thats all fine and dandy there Bones but I kinda prefer australian polka...minus the black influence of course.

nibbzious · Post by **nibbzious** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:11 pm

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:15 pm

stale bread wrote: soulkraka is a white guy I think

yes, I am.

stale bread wrote: but he's not saying that he hates all white people and loves all black people

correct

stale bread wrote:
and you aren't paying attention to what he's talking about imho, I think you believe in unity among all people and I'm black, but pro human. I believe
in unity among all people too, but there is no need to be so defensive cause that notion is not being challenged here.

thank you....and your right because the moment you mention the two words black and white in the same paragraph people immediately start jumping to their own conclusions.

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:20 pm

BONES wrote:I can almost guarantee that I will not like anything with any kind of black influence.
[...]
the black influence ruins it every time.

I didn't know you were into western classical music, and traditional folk

Left Headphone · Post by **Left Headphone** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:21 pm

Be innovative... I would be happy if I could get a good mix...

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:23 pm

cptgone wrote:
BONES wrote:I can almost guarantee that I will not like anything with any kind of black influence.
[...]
the black influence ruins it every time.
I didn't know you were into western classical music, and traditional folk

lol...he even uses breakbeats in some of his songs, but I guess breakbeats are "OK" since alanis morrisette started using them.

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:33 pm

Left Headphone wrote:Be innovative... I would be happy if I could get a good mix...

I hear ya man

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:37 pm

cptgone wrote:
BONES wrote:I can almost guarantee that I will not like anything with any kind of black influence.
[...]
the black influence ruins it every time.
I didn't know you were into western classical music, and traditional folk

Wasnt Beethoeven or Mozart supposed to be of mixed race??

just to stir things up a bit

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:47 pm

ya...ummm mozart was half austrian half viennese...umm.

Metanol · Post by **Metanol** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:52 pm

I would say music is interaction.

Jazz and blues would not exist if black people didnt get influences from european music. Then white people started to play Jazz and Blues and added something to new.
Heavy Metal started when white guys playing Rock and Blues got big amps with overdrives. Now its evolved into 1000 and 1 splinter genres. And so on.

When I was in West Africa I was surprised to see that "white" music style that seemed to be most popular there was Country music. Lets see what they will cook from it.

cptgone · Post by **cptgone** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:53 pm

soulkraka wrote:ya...ummm mozart was half austrian half viennese...umm.

He was black on the outside and white on the inside:

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:55 pm

soulkraka wrote:ya...ummm mozart was half austrian half viennese...umm.

There was some program on recently about this.

ah, it was ludwig van

http://www.africawithin.com/kwaku/beethoven.htm

or

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/050527.html

Mr Arkadin · Post by **Mr Arkadin** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:55 pm

Just to mix things up a bit more, did anyone see the Channel 4 programme Gospel Truth?

Check it out, all modern music comes from Scotland. No really...

soulkraka · Post by **soulkraka** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:55 pm

Metanol wrote:
When I was in West Africa I was surprised to see that "white" music style that seemed to be most popular there was Country music. Lets see what they will cook from it.

WOW! Fela Kuti in a cowboy hat!!

Bunnyboy · Post by **Bunnyboy** » Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:56 pm

Mr Arkadin wrote:Just to stir things up a bit more, did anyone see the Channel 4 programme Gospel Truth?

Check it out, all modern music comes from Scotland. No really...

I missed that as was away but it looked really good

Black innovation?