KVR Audio

silicon/silicium · Post by **silicon/silicium** » Mon Jul 25, 2005 9:12 pm

I just have a question/suggestion as a non FL user. I only tried v5 demo, but I ve got some trouvble with snapping:
first it's the same in playlist and piano roll.
then I wav only able to use relative snap, no "snap to", if you insert a note without snap at a random place, then snap only make you move of the snap value, and not to the snap value. I m sure I missed something (even after some search), but those two points really make me afraid about the midi editing.

rbet · Post by **rbet** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:57 am

if you are talking about the piano roll, you can dblclick the note and change the midi information about the start time and length. Once you change it like this, that start point (of that edited note) becomes the basis of the new snap positions. I hope I was clear and that is what you wanted.

Rellik · Post by **Rellik** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:15 am

Hink wrote:Hoffy you keep mentioning the zoom...I dont know why...my eyes have gone downhill and as a result I need reading glasses, other things give me headaches, but by using the zoom box in the upper right corner of zoomable windows I have all the control I see needed...if you're using number shorcuts or the view choices you are missing ut on about 70% (guesstimation, I did count them all once) of the zoom choices...where as this is something that could easliy piss me off (not good zoom) and it doesn't I think you still may be missing what I'm saying...if you're saying it still doesn't zoom in enough either you need to see the eye doctor or maybe try a different tempo/time sig...

The problem comes in trying to work with audio. FL can't zoom in nearly enough to let me work with an audio clip the way I'd like to - it can zoom in WAAAY farther than I need for MIDI, but when it comes to slicing up and mangling audio, I need finer control and better room to see.

I don't know of that's what hoffy is referring to, though!

seldom · Post by **seldom** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 2:25 am

Rellik wrote: The problem comes in trying to work with audio. FL can't zoom in nearly enough to let me work with an audio clip the way I'd like to - it can zoom in WAAAY farther than I need for MIDI, but when it comes to slicing up and mangling audio, I need finer control and better room to see.

I don't know of that's what hoffy is referring to, though!

you can increase the ability to zoom in by increasing the timing resolution of your project - if you double the timebase (ppq) you can zoom in twice as far. of course you pay for it to some extent with higher cpu usage, but i do all my stuff at 192 ppq these days for this very reason.

soma · Post by **soma** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:41 am

The best part of FL for me is it is the only other host besides buzz that can use Buzz machines! And it wraps! That alone had me interested, but I just can't get into it.
(I guess I still want a total buzz that will load as a vst and trigger patterns via midi notes... Oh well Guess I'll have to hold my breath).

geoslake · Post by **geoslake** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:08 am

The problem comes in trying to work with audio. FL can't zoom in nearly enough to let me work with an audio clip the way I'd like to - it can zoom in WAAAY farther than I need for MIDI, but when it comes to slicing up and mangling audio, I need finer control and better room to see.

Same.
Need more zoom.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:46 am

gotta say that I don't believe FL was designed for being great at handling audio, it has a very barebones editor that comes with it....it's my understanding FL is designed for the electronic musician who doesn't rely heavily on live recording of audio, or uses many audio tracks. I do not see that as a downfall though...I believe that a good wav editor with FL is a great combo...in my case Adobe Audition. Which can be used as my default editor in FL (and is), and by the same token I can use FL rewired in AA...I think if the audio zoom is lacking for you in FL it might be wiser to get an editor as opposed to holding your breath and waiting...

soma · Post by **soma** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 4:51 am

The audio tracks actaully completly confused me the first time I tried them.

(I keep bashing here but really I think FL is a great app

It's just so close to being what I want and yet so far!)

soma · Post by **soma** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:00 am

Is there still no FL VST effect version? I'd buy that!!!!

[edit]
You know what!? I bet something could be worked out with senderella!!!

No name · Post by **No name** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:04 am

Hink wrote:gotta say that I don't believe FL was designed for being great at handling audio, it has a very barebones editor that comes with it....it's my understanding FL is designed for the electronic musician who doesn't rely heavily on live recording of audio, or uses many audio tracks. I do not see that as a downfall though...I believe that a good wav editor with FL is a great combo...in my case Adobe Audition. Which can be used as my default editor in FL (and is), and by the same token I can use FL rewired in AA...I think if the audio zoom is lacking for you in FL it might be wiser to get an editor as opposed to holding your breath and waiting...

Especially effective for hip hop production. I cherish it with all that I am!

geoslake · Post by **geoslake** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:09 am

.I think if the audio zoom is lacking for you in FL it might be wiser to get an editor as opposed to holding your breath and waiting...Wink

Sure, just because FLS lack a few zoom levels, we will buy a 200$ editor.
Lol.
Other than that FLS audio handling is perfect to me (and it handles mp3, which i need).

soma · Post by **soma** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:14 am

easymode wrote:
.I think if the audio zoom is lacking for you in FL it might be wiser to get an editor as opposed to holding your breath and waiting...Wink
Sure, just because FLS lack a few zoom levels, we will buy a 200$ editor.
Lol.
Other than that FLS audio handling is perfect to me (and it handles mp3, which i need).

If zoom is all you are missing look at audacity for free. I think it has it. Granted it's much handier if it were in FL instead.

geoslake · Post by **geoslake** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 5:48 am

But (i think), we didnt talk about audio editor, but about sound clips inside FLS (playlist)...

silicon/silicium · Post by **silicon/silicium** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:05 am

if you are talking about the piano roll, you can dblclick the note and change the midi information about the start time and length. Once you change it like this, that start point (of that edited note) becomes the basis of the new snap positions. I hope I was clear and that is what you wanted.

yes, I notice this trick, but isn't it just a workaround?? I mean shouldn't fruity be able to snap to time as all seqeuncers do? you lost lot of time by dbl clicking then precisely setting the not, that's a hole in the "intuitivness" of fruity to me. for me it's the #1 problem in this nice piano roll, and the reason wh I wouldn't buy it until it's fixed.

hoffy · Post by **hoffy** » Tue Jul 26, 2005 6:34 am

jeanmariecannie wrote:
Debutante wrote:....WASTIMG YOUR TIME!!!???? I think NOT!!! Those are awesome tools ...
I know : These remarks usually come from people that want to see 'other stuff' happening but we only have 2 hands here.

With over 60.000 people using FL officially (and God knows how many others) it's impossible to make everyone happy.

See ya,

jmc (FL Studio)

I'm very happy too. I think the generators/FX are great. I just can't think of any others i would want so the 'other stuff' jumps higher on my wish list.

Speaking of included generators, any chance of the Fruity Granulizer becoming a VSTi?

new fruity stuff