whats the stupidest 'anti software' argument u've heard?

[james0tucson]

"I had to explain that mixing with software is considerably more involved that mixing in analogue"......Bollox

There is quite a bit you have to unlearn, and mixing in the digital domain carries a new set of issues with it, while depriving you of some general features of analog recording.

[Rajah]

Add this one to the list also.

Legendary BEATLES producer GEORGE MARTIN disapproves of modern technology because now anyone can make a record in the comfort of their own home.

Martin sealed his place in history by piecing together a string of classic albums including REVOLVER and SGT PEPPER'S LONELY HEARTS CLUB BAND - but he fears the advent of mp3 players will dumb down the music industry.

He says, "With iPods, mini-recorders and all the new technology, people can lie in their bath and make a rock record."

[FaX]

"Oh its only a VSTi? If it was hardware I'd have sucked your cock"

I gotta get me some hardware then .

[james0tucson]

There is a dimension missing from a VA with respect to a hardware synth: hysteresis. Controls that give significantly different results if you're turning the knob "up" versus turning the knob "down" to the same setting. Patches that are different after a power cycle.

What's the softsynth version of a reverb you can kick?

No Leslie emulator is going to fill up a jazz club like a 145, I don't care what amps and speakers you pump it through.

I love the fact that virtual instruments makes it possible for me to play. And I can't understand some arguments against them. But some of the arguments I can definitely understand. I'm not going to tell Tori Amos she doesn't need her Böesendorfer on stage because a sample library from EastWest is better. And I'm not going to tell Paige McConnell he doesn't need his Al Goff B3 and the custom stereo Leslies, either. But that's stage. The same artists might very well benefit from software in the studio, sure. Why shouldn't an orchestra fix the occasional bum note with a digital sample?

I'm trying to understand what the people who argue "against software" are trying to gain? I mean, they don't like music software, so, don't use it, right? Same thing as for TV and cigarettes, get it? Or is it that they don't want YOU, or ANYBODY to use software? Well, if it were their call, that might bear consideration. But it's not their call is it? So they just need to go piss up a rope, and enjoy their life of non-software use, right?

Well, I just thought of another situation where they'd be right; they want a keyboard player for a band, and picked someone with standard gear over someone with only a laptop and a controller. The guy with regular kit can add a computer with a vst host and some instruments a hell of a lot more easily than the guy with the laptop can add a keyboard rig...

[vurt]

"im george martin,computers suck "

[dsp music]

He says, "With iPods, mini-recorders and all the new technology, people can lie in their bath and make a rock record."

i'm surprised that this george martin guy doesn't seem to know that much about "home recording"

as he don't know that using electric things while taking a bath is very dangerous

[BONES]

It's cheating.
You are not really playing the music, the computer does.

Hardly exclusive to hardware, I've been hearing that since I first got up on stage in 1985 with a car-load of hardware.

I do think that with synths, the hardware vs. software debate does involve the hands on performance aspect. Of course, there's nothing stoping anyone wiring up a MIDI control surface to a softsynth, but even still, people perceive synths with dedicated control surfaces, as a 'better', more immediate option. If you could have a custom control surface for your favorite softsynth, that wouldn't be an issue.

Interestingly, I realised yesterday that I actually prefer the interface on my Micron to all the knobs and sliders on my K-Station for one, big reason - the Micron has those infinte knob thingies so moving it one way increases from the current value whilst the other direction decreases whereas the K has normal knobs and sliders which require you to manually move them to the current setting, sometime a very fiddly job, before you can tweak anything which is completely and utterly useless for live performance.

So far I don't think I've heard anything that can't be applied to any kind of electronic instrument, soft or hard. For me, the great, enduring piece of utter, utter b u l l s h i t is "analogue warmth" or "it sounds too digital". I have never heard such krap in my life. it sounds exactly the way I f u c k i n gwant it too.

[cavedweller]

I have never heard such krap in my life. it sounds exactly the way I f u c k i n gwant it too.

That explains a lot. Maybe you should aim a bit higher.

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[Meffy]

And the classic, of course is

All humans evolved from monkeys

All software developers are humans

Therefore, all software developers are monkeys.


This is false due to the uncertainty of the second premise.

And the first. Humans and monkeys evolved from a common ancestral stock.

(I am a software developer, which clearly invalidates the second premise.)

Jonny X: That's what it sounds like to me, yes. *shrug* It's his privilege. But I don't have to agree with him. What he's already done remains; if he blithers a bit now I can laugh it off. In any case, his opinion doesn't have to affect anyone else. :-)

[dsp music]

At the end of an era most people will turn sour.

totally agree with this

feeling outdated Mr Martin

[DWb]

it's cheap enough that anyone can make music these days so it must be shit...

That has to be my favorite: obviously giving more people the ability to produce music is going to reduce the amount of good music produced...

Although I also like any argument about things not sounding professional, or not being suitable for professionals which at worst means that there are half a dozen sound engineers who'll ignore the musical content of your tunes and shake their heads because your compressor doesn't sound quite right, while the rest of the world is busy not noticing.

[Shane Sanders]

The problem with software? Ummm, it's soft.

Pointyware is much better. Wetware that answers to "Sheila" is way over the top uberbetter. But don't forget the flatware. A man's gotta eat.

[Meffy]

Rightware is doubleplus goodthink. Silverware is tarnished but it's a classic. Everyware is all over. Noware is best discussed in the "Nothing" thread over in Marketplace. And ware, oh ware, has my little doggone?