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IIRs · Post by **IIRs** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:36 pm

Lunch Money wrote:There's nothing I would do to a "all vocals" submix, so it's pointless for me to set one up.

Not even freeze them while working on the drums?

I can't believe Im siding with Ron here!

rpc9943 · Post by **rpc9943** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:45 pm

well heres the thing. my tascam doesnt have native support so i cant exactly select tracks and go throgh 128 banks of my 8 faders. so ill just set it up like per submix and attatch the faders per mix. god its just my technique why must LuMo dropkick my every move?

RONC

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 7:53 pm

IIRs wrote:
Lunch Money wrote:
Not even freeze them while working on the drums?

freezing with Tracktion??? - You're joking, right???

(in all honesty: I really never use freezing with T - - it's far too annoying - I rather bounce down... )

multree · Post by **multree** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:13 pm

jens wrote:
IIRs wrote:
Lunch Money wrote:
Not even freeze them while working on the drums?

freezing with Tracktion??? - You're joking, right???

(in all honesty: I really never use freezing with T - - it's far too annoying - I rather bounce down... )

you're still using Tracktion

multree · Post by **multree** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:14 pm

besides why freeze t when you can buy IceTea directly

multree · Post by **multree** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:14 pm

oh well must be my funny day

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:20 pm

rpc9943 wrote:dude. you do all of the pans and everything else before its routed out, dork.

BetaThuggz
RonC

Ron, first of all, I don't appreciate your tone. Don't call me a dork just because I don't agree with your way of mixing. I said, "I think you're crazy to mix like that," and later said, "Well, on second thought you must not be crazy, but I certainly wouldn't do it that way myself." Don't bring such petty bullshit into it. It honestly infuriates me that you would even do that after the generally nice way I treat you.

Second of all, riddle me this: if you're doing your pans and levels before you rout it to a submix, what is your submix being used for? If the work is done outside the submix, what's the point of routing them all down to one track? I asked you to provide an example to help me understand, and I still haven't got one. What is the actual purpose of your submix except to say that you have one? Did you miss my comparison there? Would you do a submix of your "guitar and snare drum" as an example? If not, then why would you think two disparate things such as lead and backing vocals deserve to be put together?

IIRs-- I don't freeze during mixing. When I freeze, I select specific tracks that I want frozen with SHIFT+click. I don't see why making an "all vocals" submix would save me any time or effort. Au contraire, I might need to freeze everything BUT the lead vocals, and then where am I left. Sorry, but I don't see where freezing fits into the equation here.

I've already admitted that there's obviously different ways to work, but I still contend that it's a wasted step.

Lastly, what the hell is putting "BetaThuggz" at the bottom of your post supposed to mean, Ron?

jens · Post by **jens** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:41 pm

multree wrote: you're still using Tracktion

I know I shouldn't... but but but...

manic composer that I am I have of course something like 50 unfinished tracks in each sequencer I used up to now (and some of it is really good stuff even if I just didn't feel like finishing it when I worked on it for the first time...) and sometimes I dig out one of them or the other and often enough I am too lazy to recreate it in another sequencer...

right now I'm working on probably one of the most beautyful pieces I ever composed which I started on november the 12th in 2003 in Tracktion... - here's what it sounded like when I found it a few days ago without even remembering that I ever did it... (I only added a fade-out to the improvised piano noodling which continued for another minute or so...)

)

Distorted_Mastermind · Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:52 pm

Well I make Hip Hop for the most part. I make the beats and usually do the vox or work with the vox. The 1st thing I do is have my beat ready to go before I ever hit record. After that I record all my vocals and mix them to my liking. Then add eq and compression. The pans of vocals as mono tracks is very important as lunch money mentioned. I do a lot of adlibs after recording verses and they need to be mixed lower than the verse parts, but stand out a little bit. Pans come in very handy for that. Also for recording multiple takes of the same part and certainly if you have different vocals types like harmonies. It will keep the tracks clear and keep them from sounding really muddy.
Anyway after I get them mixed good and they sound fine with the eq and compression. Then I mute the beat and export the vocal tracks into one track (after listening several times).
I usually check the vocals in Sound Forge to see if the have major peaks and to get the overall volume at about -6 db. Then come back to Tracktion load up the beat again on a new edit and also import the vocals. This is when I add effects. I use between 1 and 3 tracks of the same vocal keeping the volume low if it's more than 1. Just add my effects and get it to the level it sounds about right....then just move on to final mix on the mastering chain.

RapRogue · Post by **RapRogue** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 8:55 pm

One point to heed is using descriptive 'track' naming
from the top. Then you won't whine later when the mix
become complex.

That being said, aux and subgroups are your friends.
Using a logical structure pays of when you want to get
creative fast and not looking for 'what is where'. Then
again sometimes great things come out of accidents.

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:40 pm

IIRs wrote:Thing is Greg, you can have a group for BV's which still feeds into a further Vox group along with the lead vocals.. if thats what you want.

we work the same bruv

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:46 pm

Lunch Money wrote: There's nothing I would do to a "all vocals" submix,
Greg

wh.. wh.. why??

i dont get it

firstly the volume of all vox is verry handy to me!!

but i nearly all ways sneak a little soft somthing on that bus aswell (like a verry warm comp with lots of attack & release but a tiny ratio & threashold) or a tape sim or,...or, ahh, each to there own

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:53 pm

If you guys find it handy to do the levels of all vox at once, then great. As I said, everyone has a different way of working. I don't know how to say what I've already said without simply repeating myself, though, so I won't bother.

djsubject · Post by **djsubject** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 9:58 pm

multree · Post by **multree** » Sat Jul 30, 2005 10:01 pm

jens wrote:
multree wrote: you're still using Tracktion
I know I shouldn't... but but but...

manic composer that I am I have of course something like 50 unfinished tracks in each sequencer I used up to now (and some of it is really good stuff even if I just didn't feel like finishing it when I worked on it for the first time...) and sometimes I dig out one of them or the other and often enough I am too lazy to recreate it in another sequencer...

right now I'm working on probably one of the most beautyful pieces I ever composed which I started on november the 12th in 2003 in Tracktion... - here's what it sounded like when I found it a few days ago without even remembering that I ever did it... (I only added a fade-out to the improvised piano noodling which continued for another minute or so...) )

no need to be all

I was just kidding and teasing you....

I still use T for all serious work, too... and will always I guess... I work in FLStudio from time to time... but haven't done any serious work with it so far...

T is just MY HOST.....

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