I wasn't upset, I just didn't know what else I could say to explain why I think an "all vox" track is a bad (or at least only infantessimally useful) idea that I haven't already said. 
How to set up a nice mixdown
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
No need to frown, subject. I wasn't upset, I just didn't know what else I could say to explain why I think an "all vox" track is a bad (or at least only infantessimally useful) idea that I haven't already said.
I wasn't upset, I just didn't know what else I could say to explain why I think an "all vox" track is a bad (or at least only infantessimally useful) idea that I haven't already said. 
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
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- AcousticHippie
- 4769 posts since 12 Mar, 2003
rpc9943 wrote:BetaThuggz
RonC
if you have a problem with Greg.... well that's your problem.
Greg is propably the most important member and the heart of Betabugs, but he wasn't talking to you as a representative of Betabugs... he was talking as himself.
so I would like to see you not blaming all the bugs... we have done nothing other than providing some free software - so please stop it mate
cheers,
mully
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- KVRian
- 945 posts since 30 Mar, 2004
More tea please... 
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- KVRAF
- 12977 posts since 29 Sep, 2003 from Ottawa, Canada
I drink tea in a mug merely because a cup is so danged small. I need more tea in me than that! Sure, you can always top your cup off again, but I'd rather just give'er. Waitasec... that means I AM uncivilized afer all!
@ Mully
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
okey
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- KVRian
- 945 posts since 30 Mar, 2004
Dude, a bone through the nose is so 1990's...Wopelka wrote:okey
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
don't tell me about that, more tea is so 1890's
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- AcousticHippie
- 4769 posts since 12 Mar, 2003
Wopelka wrote:don't tell me about that, more tea is so 1890's
and now admit that you rehearsed this.... saying 1990's instead of 90's is so 1600
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- KVRist
- 168 posts since 19 Jan, 2004
I agree with Greg on the vocal thing.
I view background vocals as an instrument that is to enhance the main vocal and blend the main vocals into the context of the song as a whole.
From this perspective I wouldn't want to group the main vocals with anything else. To group the main vocals with the backing tracks, would be like grouping the kick drum with the accustic guitar from my perspective - what is gained by this. Often times the background vocals are the bridge that bring the song and the lead vocals together, so I always want to make adjustments to mains and background independently.
The only time I have done this differently was in bluegrass recording where there is a more drastic volume difference between the vocals and the instruments. Here the main vocals and the background were definitely tied in together. So I guess there are no set rules, but as a practice I don't want the lead and background in the same group in any of the popular styles of music.
I guess it is the differences we all have in creating music is what accounts for variety and creativeity - which is a very good thing (usually) !
I view background vocals as an instrument that is to enhance the main vocal and blend the main vocals into the context of the song as a whole.
From this perspective I wouldn't want to group the main vocals with anything else. To group the main vocals with the backing tracks, would be like grouping the kick drum with the accustic guitar from my perspective - what is gained by this. Often times the background vocals are the bridge that bring the song and the lead vocals together, so I always want to make adjustments to mains and background independently.
The only time I have done this differently was in bluegrass recording where there is a more drastic volume difference between the vocals and the instruments. Here the main vocals and the background were definitely tied in together. So I guess there are no set rules, but as a practice I don't want the lead and background in the same group in any of the popular styles of music.
I guess it is the differences we all have in creating music is what accounts for variety and creativeity - which is a very good thing (usually
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- KVRian
- 945 posts since 30 Mar, 2004
More racism...Wopelka wrote:okey
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- KVRAF
- 3266 posts since 22 Sep, 2003 from under the sun
sad, isn't itLeft Headphone wrote:More racism...Wopelka wrote:okey
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
Solafide wrote:I agree with Greg on the vocal thing.
I view background vocals as an instrument that is to enhance the main vocal and blend the main vocals into the context of the song as a whole.
From this perspective I wouldn't want to group the main vocals with anything else. To group the main vocals with the backing tracks, would be like grouping the kick drum with the accustic guitar from my perspective - what is gained by this. Often times the background vocals are the bridge that bring the song and the lead vocals together, so I always want to make adjustments to mains and background independently.
The only time I have done this differently was in bluegrass recording where there is a more drastic volume difference between the vocals and the instruments. Here the main vocals and the background were definitely tied in together. So I guess there are no set rules, but as a practice I don't want the lead and background in the same group in any of the popular styles of music.
I guess it is the differences we all have in creating music is what accounts for variety and creativeity - which is a very good thing (usually
this is how i mix aswell,
but then i send all vox to another bus then that bus to its own asio out
or do you send backing & main to different asio outs? if not then all the vox are still going to one bus the master bus
or did i get it wrong again
Subz
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- KVRist
- 168 posts since 19 Jan, 2004
Obviosly there is nothing wrong with that approach, especially if it works.but then i send all vox to another bus then that bus to its own asio out
I just (in the majority of cases) don't see why I would want to group background and lead vocals, seeing they are performing two distict purposes. They get different effects are eqed differently, different amouts and types of compression, etc, etc.
To me it would make more sence to group the background vocals with a pad or something, as their purpose is more in line (not that I do that by the way)
Therefore the only benifit I could see in grouping them is to adjust the volume of lead and backing together (and as I've stated, normally I view lead and backing vocals as distinct, so I normally would not want to do this).
Obviously there is no harm in doing it the way you mentioned (as I hope there is no harm in the way I do it), it just seems poitless to me, and adds an extra track to keep straight (which can become an issue).
Only if using outbord effects.or do you send backing & main to different asio outs? if not then all the vox are still going to one bus the master bus
Seriously, I think this discussion was started by Ron on the way he uses groups and sub groups. Obviosly everyone is going to use them diferently. I think we all group in catagories, percusion with percusion, guitars with guitars, etc. I see background vocals the way they are used in modern music, more as a backing "instrument" like a pad, etc. therefore I don't group them with the main vocals.
Not a big deal either way in the big picture.
I think I am going to have a cup of tea!!
