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Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:06 am

I wouldn't buy presets either, but that's a rather snap judgement to make about someone you know nothing about. Lady J may say some stuff that I debate with time to time, but I've never seen her as money-obsessed.

Shuzhen · Post by **Shuzhen** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:14 am

If possible they could offer the presets to IK for a reasonable price.

pough · Post by **pough** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 7:30 pm

veseli koljac wrote:
championrabbit wrote:Selling presets is a joke IMO.
you mean bad joke
i really don't understand people (if they exist) who buy presets???

Lack of understanding is exactly what you're railing against, which makes these posts deliciously ironic. Some people don't want to understand the tools they use, preferring instead to let others who are interested take the time to make presets. It exists everywhere in the computer world. I could say the same thing about people who don't take the time to understand how websites work and either buy pre-made sites, use shitty WSIWYG programs or simply pay others to do it for them.

Why not also demean the people who buy VSTs instead of making their own? You do know that you can code your own VSTs, right? And why stop there? Why not make your own host? Operating system? Put together your own computer? Build your own components? Assemble a solar and wind generator to make the electricity? People don't make their own everything? I don't believe it. No such people exist.

veseli koljac · Post by **veseli koljac** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 8:30 pm

Why not also demean the people who buy VSTs instead of making their own? You do know that you can code your own VSTs, right? And why stop there? Why not make your own host? Operating system? Put together your own computer? Build your own components? Assemble a solar and wind generator to make the electricity? People don't make their own everything? I don't believe it. No such people exist.

and the people who buy car instead of making their own ???
why people buying food,you can always go hunting ?!?

i don't see any point here...

making a host or operating system or car is one thing and turning the knobs on some VST is completely different.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Sun Jul 31, 2005 10:47 pm

I buy presets for FM-7, not sure I need them for Amplitube but I am open minded about it.

Putting my limited time to actually make music rather then turn knobs all day long is a good investment for me.
Of course it all depends on the instrument and the quality of the presets.

pough · Post by **pough** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 12:27 am

veseli koljac wrote:i don't see any point here...

Once again you present your lack of understanding as though it's some kind of argument. What is it about your own ignorance that you find so compelling?

veseli koljac wrote:making a host or operating system or car is one thing and turning the knobs on some VST is completely different.

It's not completely different. I already explained that. It's the same in that it's something that people can do and yet some people prefer to pay others to do it for them. Why is that so hard to understand?

sXeSkiddz2005 · Post by **sXeSkiddz2005** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 2:51 am

It's not completely different. I already explained that. It's the same in that it's something that people can do and yet some people prefer to pay others to do it for them. Why is that so hard to understand?

Id say because making cars and OS's and such takes years of experience and learing...........learning to turn knobs on a VST, takes about 30 seconds.......theres a difference dude lol

WoJ · Post by **WoJ** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 3:21 am

Arg, have to dissagree with u on that one. Turning knobs is all well and good if you know what they do. For that you need time, some people dont have time, buying a preset can save people time and get them a sound straight of the box. And it not just a case of turning knobs. With some of the synths out there you'd be "twidling" for years on end due to the combinations. Sometimes people just want to scroll through and go"yea, i like that."

WoJ

sXeSkiddz2005 · Post by **sXeSkiddz2005** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 4:59 am

Yea i know what you mean about that........im all about presets. but i dont think comparing buildign a car or a OS is anywhere near in comparison, so if your gonna compare to try and argue a point, at least make a valid comparison.

I Personally would never Buy presets, id just take the time to learn the program myself considering its just an Amp sim and not something like a real complicated synth or something. but thats just me. more power to them if they make money and stuff im all for that.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:10 am

There is way more to tweak than meets the eye.
The new EQ alone, is giving the user endless sound variations.

Even tho the amp IS easy to tweak, it can be a bit of a lottery,
you may hit the jack pot or you dont.
There are people out there that hit the jack pot quite often.

There is nothing wrong with buying presets,
to save yourself time and have new fun right away.
You can still tweak them afterwards to your needs.

luka2807 · Post by **luka2807** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:14 am

ok guys, maybe you are much more skilled in tuning your ampsims then I am, but I was thrilled with presets Lady J provided us a year ago. Amplitube sounds 1000 times better with her presets then with the stock ones.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 9:17 am

This is utter nonsense.

pough wrote:
Lack of understanding is exactly what you're railing against, which makes these posts deliciously ironic. Some people don't want to understand the tools they use, preferring instead to let others who are interested take the time to make presets.

If we are talking about program-dependant VSTs (as we are) then using presets isn't appropriate. For somebody who just wants to play some guitar and record a few clips of himself, presets would be fine, but why would you pay for them? Since the result isn't of critical importance, why not just play with the controls?

For somebody attempting something more 'serious', presets are wholly inappropriate due to the program dependant nature of the VST (Amplitube).

It exists everywhere in the computer world. I could say the same thing about people who don't take the time to understand how websites work and either buy pre-made sites, use shitty WYSIWYG programs or simply pay others to do it for them.

Nonsense.

Paying somebody to do your bespoke site is like paying an engineer to record your material. Your site will (accepting the designer is decent) be of a 'professional' standard, and be exactly what you desired.

WYSIWYG apps allow the user to achieve a bespoke site. Presets are the antithesis of this. Presets are not bespoke.

Why not also demean the people who buy VSTs instead of making their own? You do know that you can code your own VSTs, right? And why stop there? Why not make your own host? Operating system? Put together your own computer? Build your own components? Assemble a solar and wind generator to make the electricity? People don't make their own everything? I don't believe it. No such people exist.

Nonsense again.

Program dependant VSTs come as vanilla flavour, and demand user input to create the desired result. Buying presets is not akin to buying a 'Word', it's akin to buying pre-written Word documents.

Your arguments are utterly stupid.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 11:25 am

championrabbit quoth

If we are talking about program-dependant VSTs (as we are) then using presets isn't appropriate.

Really? You might want to tell Digitech...

http://www.digitech.com/products/Hendri ... endrix.htm
http://www.digitech.com/products/Clapto ... lapton.htm
http://www.digitech.com/products/weapon.htm

I think that you'll probably find that presets which replicate existing identifiable sounds or tones on released tracks are pretty damn popular, for example.

The fact that you don't think it is 'appropriate' is more of an indicator about you, than the facts.

For somebody who just wants to play some guitar and record a few clips of himself, presets would be fine, but why would you pay for them? Since the result isn't of critical importance, why not just play with the controls?

Conversely, for someone who wants to play cover versions, presets of 'signature' sounds are a major convenience. So why wouldnt someone want to pay for them?

For somebody attempting something more 'serious', presets are wholly inappropriate due to the program dependant nature of the VST (Amplitube).

You say that as though you know have some unquestionable understanding of 'seriousness' that no-one else does.
Which is bollocks, of course.

Nonsense.

Paying somebody to do your bespoke site is like paying an engineer to record your material.

Nope. An engineer would be involved in refining yuor own creative input. That wouldnt necessarily be the case for a bespoke website designer; its more likely that they'd be the 'creative' input as well.

Your site will (accepting the designer is decent) be of a 'professional' standard, and be exactly what you desired.

WYSIWYG apps allow the user to achieve a bespoke site.

Only to a 'professional' standard if the 'user' has the ability to do so in the first place. And funnily enough, most people dont.

Presets are the antithesis of this. Presets are not bespoke.

Ah, I see what you're doing. You're focussing on one aspect of what he said in order to discount or discredit the rest.

Lack of understanding is exactly what you're railing against, which makes these posts deliciously ironic. Some people don't want to understand the tools they use, preferring instead to let others who are interested take the time to make presets. It exists everywhere in the computer world. I could say the same thing about people who don't take the time to understand how websites work and either buy pre-made sites, use shitty WSIWYG programs or simply pay others to do it for them.

Except that wasnt about 'presets' as much as it was about people preferring easier ways of doing things. Are you saying that's not actually true?

Although 'premade sites' and templates are pretty much exactly the same as presets, so why didnt you concentrate on that comparison?

Program dependant VSTs come as vanilla flavour, and demand user input to create the desired result.

No they don't. It might help a user get closer to something useful for a given situation, but absolutely nothing is demanded.

Buying presets is not akin to buying a 'Word', it's akin to buying pre-written Word documents.

No-one said it was. Its you who's trying to make that comparison, but only because you missed the point of what was actually said...

Your arguments are utterly stupid.

Interesting. I find yours to be full of assumptions, misdirection, and irrelevance to what was actually said.

championrabbit · Post by **championrabbit** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:11 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:Really? You might want to tell Digitech...

http://www.digitech.com/products/Hendri ... endrix.htm
http://www.digitech.com/products/Clapto ... lapton.htm
http://www.digitech.com/products/weapon.htm

Digitech pedals are presets are they? They look more like pedals to me. Pedals with knobs on them. KNobs that you can turn.

whyterabbyt wrote:You say that as though you know have some unquestionable understanding of 'seriousness' that no-one else does.
Which is bollocks, of course.

'Serious' projects are ones that are to be mixed to completion. Be it in a bedroom, or Abbey Road. Since AT is a program dependant effect, using presets would clearly be a strange option.

Your attempt to imply that by 'serious' I meant 'professional' or 'better than your stuff' is very, very lame.

Do you even understand what 'program dependant' means?

Nope. An engineer would be involved in refining yuor own creative input. That wouldnt necessarily be the case for a bespoke website designer; its more likely that they'd be the 'creative' input as well.

This is clearly nonsense. Have you ever actually worked with decent engineers? An engineer will have as much, if not more influence on the sound of a recording than a web designer does when creating a bespoke design.

Although 'premade sites' and templates are pretty much exactly the same as presets, so why didnt you concentrate on that comparison?

Premade sites and templates weren't refered to in the previous post. Lame.

zeoy · Post by **zeoy** » Mon Aug 01, 2005 1:20 pm

Don't know what you're saying about presets but that got me interrested. I really wasnt aware when I posted a few clips long time ago

Midiworks wrote:
MrM wrote:And you will give all people who contributed with guitar parts a free copy?
Yes MrM, thats what I said and thats what I will do.

now hurry up Midiworks

Guitar players, The soundclick MP3 demo page got updated !