let me guess: it's coming out soon right?Midiworks wrote:
Guitar players, The soundclick MP3 demo page got updated !
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- KVRAF
- 25027 posts since 12 Jul, 2003 from West Caprazumia
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
championrabbit quoth
Digitech pedals are presets are they?
Who said that?
Obviously this is getting a bit difficult for you, but I'll explain. Digitech supply these pedals with presets, designed to replicate specific signature guitar tones.
That was in response to your 'presets are totally inappropriate' generalisation.
They look more like pedals to me.
A pedal that looks like a pedal. Wow, you're observant.
Pedals with knobs on them. KNobs that you can turn.
You get better and better at this, dont you.
'Serious' projects are ones that are to be mixed to completion. Be it in a bedroom, or Abbey Road. Since AT is a program dependant effect, using presets would clearly be a strange option.
Why? Because you say so?
Your attempt to imply that by 'serious' I meant 'professional' or 'better than your stuff' is very, very lame.
Your attempt to imply that's what I meant is actually what's lame.
If you don't understand what I mean, try asking, instead of assuming. That way you'll look like less of an ass.
Do you even understand what 'program dependant' means?
Yes.
This is clearly nonsense. Have you ever actually worked with decent engineers? An engineer will have as much, if not more influence on the sound of a recording than a web designer does when creating a bespoke design.
Alternately.
This is clearly nonsense. have you ever actually worked with decent website designers? A website designer will have as much, if not more influence on the architecture of a website than a sound engineer does when making a recording.
Premade sites and templates weren't refered to in the previous post.
I guess reading is problematic for you. I'll quiote the post you addressed again shall I. This time I'll highlight the bit that you seem to be having difficulty noticing.
Lame.
What's lame is your argument, ie the assertion that because a 'preset' is not 'bespoke' then no-one would use them. And some ludicrous extrapolation which focusses on something quite different from what was actually said in order to 'prove' that you are correct.
Digitech pedals are presets are they?
Who said that?
Obviously this is getting a bit difficult for you, but I'll explain. Digitech supply these pedals with presets, designed to replicate specific signature guitar tones.
That was in response to your 'presets are totally inappropriate' generalisation.
They look more like pedals to me.
A pedal that looks like a pedal. Wow, you're observant.
Pedals with knobs on them. KNobs that you can turn.
You get better and better at this, dont you.
'Serious' projects are ones that are to be mixed to completion. Be it in a bedroom, or Abbey Road. Since AT is a program dependant effect, using presets would clearly be a strange option.
Why? Because you say so?
Your attempt to imply that by 'serious' I meant 'professional' or 'better than your stuff' is very, very lame.
Your attempt to imply that's what I meant is actually what's lame.
If you don't understand what I mean, try asking, instead of assuming. That way you'll look like less of an ass.
Do you even understand what 'program dependant' means?
Yes.
This is clearly nonsense. Have you ever actually worked with decent engineers? An engineer will have as much, if not more influence on the sound of a recording than a web designer does when creating a bespoke design.
Alternately.
This is clearly nonsense. have you ever actually worked with decent website designers? A website designer will have as much, if not more influence on the architecture of a website than a sound engineer does when making a recording.
Premade sites and templates weren't refered to in the previous post.
I guess reading is problematic for you. I'll quiote the post you addressed again shall I. This time I'll highlight the bit that you seem to be having difficulty noticing.
Here it comes!I could say the same thing about people who don't take the time to understand how websites work and
Did you see it yet?either buy pre-made sites
Manage it with more help that time?, use shitty WYSIWYG programs or simply pay others to do it for them.
Lame.
What's lame is your argument, ie the assertion that because a 'preset' is not 'bespoke' then no-one would use them. And some ludicrous extrapolation which focusses on something quite different from what was actually said in order to 'prove' that you are correct.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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championrabbit championrabbit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=53166
- KVRian
- 559 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
They supply them with presets, and knobs. Why the knobs? Because program dependant (which you are still showing no indication of understanding the meaning of) effects negate the value of concrete presets.whyterabbyt wrote:
Obviously this is getting a bit difficult for you, but I'll explain. Digitech supply these pedals with presets, designed to replicate specific signature guitar tones.
Yes, that's right. Because I am a professional, full-time, waged AE, and you are a hobbyist. If that makes you happy?Why? Because you say so?
What did you mean?Your attempt to imply that's what I meant is actually what's lame.
What does it mean?Do you even understand what 'program dependant' means?
Yes.
Ok, both can influence the output. THis reinforces my point nicely.Alternately.
This is clearly nonsense. have you ever actually worked with decent website designers? A website designer will have as much, if not more influence on the architecture of a website than a sound engineer does when making a recording.
Ok, I stand corrected on that point. Are premade sites good? If not, why are presets good?either buy pre-made sites
No, what's lame is your argument.What's lame is your argument, ie the assertion that because a 'preset' is not 'bespoke' then no-one would use them. And some ludicrous extrapolation which focusses on something quite different from what was actually said in order to 'prove' that you are correct.
I have not asserted that presets are not usable. I was very clear in this.
Try using your eyes and mind to understand the words.
I asserted that presets are useful for rough stuff and jamming, but not for 'serious' recording.
I stated that since presets aren't useful for 'serious' recording, it would be daft to pay for them.
Mmkay?
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
championrabbit quoth
They supply them with presets, and knobs. Why the knobs?
Are you saying that the knobs somehow change a 'signature' preset into a 'bespoke' sound, then?
The knobs on these things quite clearly allow for a certain amount of modification of the preset within a limited range. But probably with far more restriction than most other effects for which presets are available.
In most cases, though, a preset provides a tailored starting point, and that will be valuable to some people, no matter whether or not you think that is 'appropriate' or not, or the user is 'serious' or not.
However the fact that someone might go on to tweak or modify that preset has no relevance to the utility of presets in general, nor does it imply that every single user will actually modify the presets.
And surely you're aware that its perfectly possible to customise the overall result of processing the program material without changing a given specific effect's presets at all, ie with additional pre- or post-processing in the signal chain.
Because program dependant effects negate the value of concrete presets.
And which effects are you talking about that are 'concrete' then, with no ability to pre- or post- process them, or do nothing more than slightly modify an existing preset.
Or is it your contention that being able to tweak a preset by changing some of the controls means that you could have replicated that preset from scratch on your own in the first place?
Because if that's the case, then surely nobody actually needs audio engineers either, since everybody can get the sound they are after just by tweaking from scratch, yeah?
(which you are still showing no indication of understanding the meaning of)
Well, you would say that, wouldnt you.
Yes, that's right. Because I am a professional, full-time, waged AE, and you are a hobbyist. If that makes you happy?
And Ive done website design professionally. Funny that.
What did you mean?
Why? Your comment was mere ad-hominem anyways.
What does it mean?
Sorry, I didnt realise you didnt know yourself. How basic should I go?
Ok, both can influence the output. THis reinforces my point nicely.
Which point? People do use website templates, and pre-made sites despite the fact that they can get 'bespoke' work done. I thought you were disputing that.
Ok, I stand corrected on that point. Are premade sites good? If not, why are presets good?
Some can be excellent, and some shite. But in most cases their worth to a person depends on what the person actually needs.
No, what's lame is your argument.
Funny, because its you who's throwing in the assumptions and fallacious logic.
I have not asserted that presets are not usable. I was very clear in this.
NO, you say they were not 'appropriate'.
Try using your eyes and mind to understand the words.
Maybe if you used them properly, and didnt conflat unrelated points into a supposed refutation it would be easier.
I asserted that presets are useful for rough stuff and jamming, but not for 'serious' recording.
I know what you asserted. Its your complete failure to provide compelling support for that assertion that I'm commenting on.
I stated that since presets aren't useful for 'serious' recording, it would be daft to pay for them.
Yes, but that's a flawed supposition, in that you have yet to make any case for your stated assumption that they arent useful for 'serious' recording.
Mmkay?
Umm, no. But hopefully you'll get over it.
They supply them with presets, and knobs. Why the knobs?
Are you saying that the knobs somehow change a 'signature' preset into a 'bespoke' sound, then?
The knobs on these things quite clearly allow for a certain amount of modification of the preset within a limited range. But probably with far more restriction than most other effects for which presets are available.
In most cases, though, a preset provides a tailored starting point, and that will be valuable to some people, no matter whether or not you think that is 'appropriate' or not, or the user is 'serious' or not.
However the fact that someone might go on to tweak or modify that preset has no relevance to the utility of presets in general, nor does it imply that every single user will actually modify the presets.
And surely you're aware that its perfectly possible to customise the overall result of processing the program material without changing a given specific effect's presets at all, ie with additional pre- or post-processing in the signal chain.
Because program dependant effects negate the value of concrete presets.
And which effects are you talking about that are 'concrete' then, with no ability to pre- or post- process them, or do nothing more than slightly modify an existing preset.
Or is it your contention that being able to tweak a preset by changing some of the controls means that you could have replicated that preset from scratch on your own in the first place?
Because if that's the case, then surely nobody actually needs audio engineers either, since everybody can get the sound they are after just by tweaking from scratch, yeah?
(which you are still showing no indication of understanding the meaning of)
Well, you would say that, wouldnt you.
Yes, that's right. Because I am a professional, full-time, waged AE, and you are a hobbyist. If that makes you happy?
And Ive done website design professionally. Funny that.
What did you mean?
Why? Your comment was mere ad-hominem anyways.
What does it mean?
Sorry, I didnt realise you didnt know yourself. How basic should I go?
Ok, both can influence the output. THis reinforces my point nicely.
Which point? People do use website templates, and pre-made sites despite the fact that they can get 'bespoke' work done. I thought you were disputing that.
Ok, I stand corrected on that point. Are premade sites good? If not, why are presets good?
Some can be excellent, and some shite. But in most cases their worth to a person depends on what the person actually needs.
No, what's lame is your argument.
Funny, because its you who's throwing in the assumptions and fallacious logic.
I have not asserted that presets are not usable. I was very clear in this.
NO, you say they were not 'appropriate'.
Try using your eyes and mind to understand the words.
Maybe if you used them properly, and didnt conflat unrelated points into a supposed refutation it would be easier.
I asserted that presets are useful for rough stuff and jamming, but not for 'serious' recording.
I know what you asserted. Its your complete failure to provide compelling support for that assertion that I'm commenting on.
I stated that since presets aren't useful for 'serious' recording, it would be daft to pay for them.
Yes, but that's a flawed supposition, in that you have yet to make any case for your stated assumption that they arent useful for 'serious' recording.
Mmkay?
Umm, no. But hopefully you'll get over it.
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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championrabbit championrabbit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=53166
- KVRian
- 559 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
Why can't you use the accepted quoting format?
Is it to make it a real PITA to reply?
Is it to make it a real PITA to reply?
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TotcProductions TotcProductions https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=6202 - KVRAF
- 5156 posts since 5 Mar, 2003 from Franklin, NH
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- KVRAF
- 4891 posts since 3 Jan, 2003 from Vancouver
Am I say what's not actually true? That people prefer easier ways of doing things?whyterabbyt wrote:Except that wasnt about 'presets' as much as it was about people preferring easier ways of doing things. Are you saying that's not actually true?
I honestly didn't think it was as close a comparison. Not in terms of intent, anyways. With a premade website, you're pretty much getting someone else to do almost everything for you. It would be more analogous, IMO, to a preset song than sound. I thought that the better comparison was a lack of desire to understand all the components; the continued ignorance of the functioning.whyterabbyt wrote:Although 'premade sites' and templates are pretty much exactly the same as presets, so why didnt you concentrate on that comparison?
When confronted with hundreds of knobs and no knowledge of how each knob affects the sound, you can either take the time to learn or else let someone else do that learning for you. I don't need to know how synths work to play one. I don't need to know how to create effect patches to use effects.
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- KVRAF
- 4891 posts since 3 Jan, 2003 from Vancouver
You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.championrabbit wrote:This is utter nonsense.
Nonsense.
Nonsense again.
I don't recall having read anything you've ever written without thinking that very same thing.championrabbit wrote:Your arguments are utterly stupid.
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- Beware the Quoth
- 35449 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
pough quoth Am I say what's not actually true? That people prefer easier ways of doing things?
Why are you responding to something I was saying to someone else as though I was saying it to you?
Why are you responding to something I was saying to someone else as though I was saying it to you?
An idiot on Set Theory:
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
"In some cases there is an object called red that contains everything that is red. In much the same way a pot is a plate."
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- KVRist
- 88 posts since 30 May, 2005
omg guys shut the hell up. your arguing like 3 year olds and cluttering up a post that has absolutely nothing to do with that shit. get on instant messanger or something and argue this out as to save us the headache of reading it trying to find valid posts.
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championrabbit championrabbit https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=53166
- KVRian
- 559 posts since 30 Dec, 2004
Yeah, you're right.sXeSkiddz2005 wrote:omg guys shut the hell up. your arguing like 3 year olds and cluttering up a post that has absolutely nothing to do with that shit. get on instant messanger or something and argue this out as to save us the headache of reading it trying to find valid posts.
Sorry.
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