I think it's kind of funny how people think having a lock that only prevents the owner from using the software if you lose the key is 'protecting my investment'.original flipper wrote:HI
But can't you remove the door locks and still use the car - assuming your next door neighbours kid ain't doing a drive by in it?
Flipper.
SX dongle woes
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
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- KVRAF
- 2107 posts since 12 May, 2003 from gone
Funny how rather than ignore software they don't want to use, certain people attack and spend their time arguing about them!
If everyone who uses cubase actually paid for it, it would either be a cheaper app, an even better app, or a but of both.
And didn't you earlier suggest steinberg was having money problems?
The dongle protects my investment in cubase. Save your pathetic justifications and jibes for your own conscience.
If everyone who uses cubase actually paid for it, it would either be a cheaper app, an even better app, or a but of both.
And didn't you earlier suggest steinberg was having money problems?
The dongle protects my investment in cubase. Save your pathetic justifications and jibes for your own conscience.
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
No I didn't.Muff Wiggler wrote: And didn't you earlier suggest steinberg was having money problems?
Whoa, touchy!asshole.
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- KVRAF
- 2107 posts since 12 May, 2003 from gone
Yeah, a bit, sorry.
I actually edited that post to remove 'asshole' right after I posted it, you were posting at the same time. I'm slow as hell because I'm surfing kvr on a bloody blackberry from the middle of nowhere at the moment.
Anyway, that was overboard, and indeed I'm touchy ATM, apologies, nothing personal
I actually edited that post to remove 'asshole' right after I posted it, you were posting at the same time. I'm slow as hell because I'm surfing kvr on a bloody blackberry from the middle of nowhere at the moment.
Anyway, that was overboard, and indeed I'm touchy ATM, apologies, nothing personal
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
THat's cool, no worries. And I'm not bashing Cubase or Steinberg, I just don't like dongles. If Ableton went to dongles, I'd switch hosts.
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- KVRAF
- 2107 posts since 12 May, 2003 from gone
In all honesty I'm happy hith mine, and it works transparently to me, however Ive always been wary of them in the past.
Someone earlier (maybe you) stated something to the effect of 'a product couldn't possibly offer me enough to make me bend my ethical principles', and while for me its not about some fundamental ideological principle, I do see however see the point - for me however, cubase IS the product that justifies me bending my 'wariness' of dongles. I gladly accept the dongle for what cubase does for me.
The theortical problem for me is the multi-dongle situation, the argument 'what if most products came with dongles?'. I have no interst in more than one dongle - cubase does enough to justify the dongle, but it is my chosen host - everything else is vastly secondary to that for me.
I wouldn't buy any plugin that needed a dongle - however I did get Scarbee KGB which is dongleware, however it uses the same dongle as cubase does, which is just fine to me. However I do suspect that scarbee has limited potential sales somewhat to mostly cubase users, unless there's more people than I think who would accept a new dongle for a sample library collection.
Anyway, since I'm already a cubase user it wouldn't bug me if more companies adopted the steinberg key (ik multimedia is doing so, and I think they are shooting themselves in the foot), however I could see how a lot of people would just not bother buying the products.
Someone earlier (maybe you) stated something to the effect of 'a product couldn't possibly offer me enough to make me bend my ethical principles', and while for me its not about some fundamental ideological principle, I do see however see the point - for me however, cubase IS the product that justifies me bending my 'wariness' of dongles. I gladly accept the dongle for what cubase does for me.
The theortical problem for me is the multi-dongle situation, the argument 'what if most products came with dongles?'. I have no interst in more than one dongle - cubase does enough to justify the dongle, but it is my chosen host - everything else is vastly secondary to that for me.
I wouldn't buy any plugin that needed a dongle - however I did get Scarbee KGB which is dongleware, however it uses the same dongle as cubase does, which is just fine to me. However I do suspect that scarbee has limited potential sales somewhat to mostly cubase users, unless there's more people than I think who would accept a new dongle for a sample library collection.
Anyway, since I'm already a cubase user it wouldn't bug me if more companies adopted the steinberg key (ik multimedia is doing so, and I think they are shooting themselves in the foot), however I could see how a lot of people would just not bother buying the products.
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- KVRAF
- 2312 posts since 9 Jun, 2002 from East of Santa Monica
Amazing you don't see the obvious difference...Tony Ostinato wrote:Is there a CAR i can buy that doesnt need a KEY, i might lose the key.
then again if i did lose my car key it wouldnt take me 10 months to hotwire it.
they do give you extra car keys, then again you cant COPY a car...
In your situation, YOU LOST YOUR KEY (OR ARE WORRIED ABOUT LOSING IT; STILL, YOUR FAULT!).
IN CC4's situation, he was without the use of his dongles THROUGH NO FAULT OF HIS OWN.
Get the point now?
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- KVRer
- 17 posts since 31 Dec, 2004
agreed, Reaktor totally kicks ass, however explaining my situation in an email to NI I never recieved a response on their activation policyCC4 wrote:MySTiK - why are you denying yourself Reaktor? it totally kicks ass! as far as i know, NI doesn't use dongles anymore. (if you want to use Reaktor 3 ensembles in 5, then you do need a dongle).
all you have to do is just register with a serial number online (same with Abysnth). the serial number is pasted in the main big manual, you type it in, they send you a code and you plop that code in. you do have to reregister for a new code if your system specs change dramatically or you put the software on a new computer. not that big of a hassle though really. takes less than a few minutes.
i will say that i just received my new dongles, so now i can finally go back to using cubase. it however took almost an hour to download the new licenses from syncrosoft - three licenses in total. one for the sx bundled licenses, and then i had two licenses for 30 day demo steinberg stuff i still haven't used. it would have been faster to find nuts in a turd...
I cant really justify spending that amount of money on a product I may or may not be able to use
i'm not against it, I just wish it was less obtrusive
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- KVRist
- 75 posts since 29 Apr, 2004
I rememeber when I got SX, my wife said that it was the same price as our rent ($600) and then I showed her the
little green dongle. "This is like the key, and if I loose this it won't work". She then said that one of my guitars was $600, but it did not have a key to loose.
Kind of funny. I hate dongels too, but I really like SX.
little green dongle. "This is like the key, and if I loose this it won't work". She then said that one of my guitars was $600, but it did not have a key to loose.
Kind of funny. I hate dongels too, but I really like SX.
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"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the source of all true art and science."
-Albert Einstein"
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- KVRist
- 271 posts since 13 Aug, 2002 from Knowhere, Texas
I'm not out to get Cubase, or say it's a sucky host or whatever. I bought Cubase because I wanted to use it. The dongle it shipped with was dead. Because it was during the SX3 release (I guess) it took over a month for them to ship me a dongle, and that was after waiting two weeks from my first response. The dongle that was shipped was the wrong dongle. I had to wait two more weeks. It sucked. I sold it and swore never to use a prog with a dongle again.
Dongles are not the be all, end all solution to piracy. I'm seeing more individual dongles for sale on ebay. I'm also running into people at computer shows that have them for sale behind the counter.
I do think that the dongle debate will die when Vista is released. Simply because, at some future point, the entire computer will act as a dongle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz-chip
Dongles are not the be all, end all solution to piracy. I'm seeing more individual dongles for sale on ebay. I'm also running into people at computer shows that have them for sale behind the counter.
I do think that the dongle debate will die when Vista is released. Simply because, at some future point, the entire computer will act as a dongle.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fritz-chip
Your very silence shows you agree.-Euripides
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- KVRist
- 71 posts since 29 Apr, 2003
At least Abletons Fc%k with you endlessly if you use their cracked software. Basically all projects created with older versions will not open in the crack without errors so if you are serious about making music, you will buy it. At least they think out of the box and cause frustrated crack users to purchase (and they know it's worth it) with minimal hassle to paid users. Everything they do is pretty clever me thinks.
The knob-heads at steinberg just make their paying customers deal with these annoying dongles meanwhile there's a perfectly working crack of SX3. Personally, I can't be arsed to use anything that's not 'drag & drop' with VST instruments & FX anymore.
The knob-heads at steinberg just make their paying customers deal with these annoying dongles meanwhile there's a perfectly working crack of SX3. Personally, I can't be arsed to use anything that's not 'drag & drop' with VST instruments & FX anymore.
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- KVRist
- 315 posts since 8 Jun, 2002
The idea that putting lots of authorization codes on one key would be a good thing is something that requires closer examination, IMHO. Yes, dealing with one dongle might be much less of a hassle than dealing with dozens (assuming many companies were to adopt the dongle strategy). And yes, some folks seem to think it's just "too bad for the user" if you were to lose a dongle. However, I would think that, in practice, the possibility of losing, potentially, thousands of dollars of software investment by losing one small dongle would be far too great a risk for many to assume. Also, the hassle of dealing with, potentially, dozens of companies in the event of a single broken dongle would be unacceptable to many.Muff Wiggler wrote:Anyway, since I'm already a cubase user it wouldn't bug me if more companies adopted the steinberg key ...
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- KVRAF
- 2107 posts since 12 May, 2003 from gone
i can see that point
personally, i don't worry about losing the dongle. it's pretty important, and i've found in my life that it is pretty easy to keep from losing something that you really don't want to lose, if you are very careful with it.
My wife has some jewlery and we have some musical instruments that are worth an awful lot more than a handful of software licenses, and some are probably more fragile than my cubase dongle, but somehow, with due care, we seem to get by just fine.
I understand that for some people it is a concern, and I can sympathize, if not understand completely.
personally, i don't worry about losing the dongle. it's pretty important, and i've found in my life that it is pretty easy to keep from losing something that you really don't want to lose, if you are very careful with it.
My wife has some jewlery and we have some musical instruments that are worth an awful lot more than a handful of software licenses, and some are probably more fragile than my cubase dongle, but somehow, with due care, we seem to get by just fine.
I understand that for some people it is a concern, and I can sympathize, if not understand completely.
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- KVRAF
- 9096 posts since 5 Feb, 2004
Lots of musicians use drugs. I can see lots of musicians losing dongles 
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- KVRAF
- 2107 posts since 12 May, 2003 from gone
heh
well i still haven't lost mine
even druggies (usually) manage to hang onto, like, their house keys, you know? it's not hard to keep an eye on the few really important things, high or not. of course if you wanted to party hard and just get stupid blasted, well wtf did you bring your cubase dongle along for? put it somewhere safe first, hardly rocket science
well i still haven't lost mine
even druggies (usually) manage to hang onto, like, their house keys, you know? it's not hard to keep an eye on the few really important things, high or not. of course if you wanted to party hard and just get stupid blasted, well wtf did you bring your cubase dongle along for? put it somewhere safe first, hardly rocket science