Hi Dave,
Just wondering if DS404 supports sustain messages?
I loaded up a piano sample and couldn't get it to play like a real piano (eg with the sustain pedal).
DS404 - Sustain messages?
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- KVRAF
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRian
- 1461 posts since 21 Nov, 2000
Sorry, but no Muon instrument responds to sustain pedal messages. I'm sort of of the opinion still that the polyphony required to make it worthwhile still isn't there on most users CPUs. Comments, anyone?
Dave
Dave
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- KVRist
- 76 posts since 13 Jul, 2002
hmmm. don't think I agree dave.
sustain pedal doesn't require unlimited polyphony, just smart enough voice stealing. I use use it sometimes w VSTIs, especially piano imitators. people don't have to use it if it makes trouble for them, but they can't use if it's not there.
sustain pedal doesn't require unlimited polyphony, just smart enough voice stealing. I use use it sometimes w VSTIs, especially piano imitators. people don't have to use it if it makes trouble for them, but they can't use if it's not there.
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
Hmmmm. Well I can't really agree there.Muon Software Ltd wrote:Sorry, but no Muon instrument responds to sustain pedal messages. I'm sort of of the opinion still that the polyphony required to make it worthwhile still isn't there on most users CPUs. Comments, anyone?
Dave
Maybe for synth sounds it doesn't bother me too much although I know a lot of people use the pedal even on synth sounds....but a sampled piano without sustain?? That seems bizarre.
I just don't see any point in marketing a piano sample set for a device that can't accept sustain messages for example. I hope you're not on the verge of trying to market the ultimate steinway in 404 format because I can't imagine many people buying it.
However, when it comes to many other sounds I'm not as fussed to be able to send sustain messages so it depends really.
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRian
- 1045 posts since 23 Jul, 2001 from Jersey Is Where America's At
I don't care about sustain pedal messages in a synth, but in any sampler it's an absolute must have. Again you just can't play a piano properly without the sustain, even rhodes and wurlies greatly benefit with the occasional hit of the sustain pedal. If you guys ever expand upon DS404 and make a commercial version you'll have to include sustain pedal support (hell, do it anyway 
). As for the CPU usage, every DAW should be able to play back a fairly large (100MB+) piano part with the sustain pedal down a decent amount of the time without grinding their system to a hault, just remember to lift it up when you can to save on some CPU, and bounce down. My system is no speed demon anymore, but it can certainly handle it without a problem.
). As for the CPU usage, every DAW should be able to play back a fairly large (100MB+) piano part with the sustain pedal down a decent amount of the time without grinding their system to a hault, just remember to lift it up when you can to save on some CPU, and bounce down. My system is no speed demon anymore, but it can certainly handle it without a problem.I'm sorry this post wasn't about techno.
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- KVRian
- 1181 posts since 6 Jun, 2002 from Southern Germany
Dito! Dear Muon people, if you have a heart, please fix that!Funkybot wrote:I don't care about sustain pedal messages in a synth, but in any sampler it's an absolute must have.
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- KVRian
- 1461 posts since 21 Nov, 2000
OK, it will be done.
Dave
Dave
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 4143 posts since 7 Sep, 2001 from Melbourne, Australia
That is majorly cool.Muon Software Ltd wrote:OK, it will be done.
Dave
Happiness is the hidden behind the obvious.
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- KVRian
- 868 posts since 7 May, 2002 from Sydney, Australia
Yay ! Ds404 with sustain = very good )
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- KVRian
- 1461 posts since 21 Nov, 2000
I'll make sure it goes in the bug fix update coming soon. It's now on the list of known issues.
Regards + Happy New Year!
Dave
Regards + Happy New Year!
Dave
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- KVRian
- 1461 posts since 21 Nov, 2000
You will be able to download an update patcher from our website, just the same as for any other Muon/CM plugin. SR202 v1.01D for example is available as an update patcher at www.muon-software.com/html/support.html
I've just done some preliminary code and you'll be pleased to hear that DS404 now has sustain pedal support. A little more testing and a Mac version and it'll be released shortly. I have also seriously whittled down that "known issues" list!!
Cheers
Dave
I've just done some preliminary code and you'll be pleased to hear that DS404 now has sustain pedal support. A little more testing and a Mac version and it'll be released shortly. I have also seriously whittled down that "known issues" list!!
Cheers
Dave
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- KVRian
- 1045 posts since 23 Jul, 2001 from Jersey Is Where America's At
This is very good news Dave, I know you probably didn't have to add sustain pedal support but I'm extremely glad you did. If you keep spoiling us like this we'll probably go back to asking for portamento in the CM101 ( 
joke, just a joke 
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joke, just a joke ) .I'm sorry this post wasn't about techno.
