XT Software

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:30 pm

I will make a few experiments...

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:38 pm

for me there's actually no difference...

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 1:44 pm

Sturgeon · Post by **Sturgeon** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:13 pm

jens wrote:maybe you should just stay out of these threads as it isn't helpful for anyone if you post here. ModuLR e.g. is a developer (and a Tracktion beta-tester) himself so one might assume he knows how to set up his machine, no?

Just because it works for you that doesn't mean there's nothing wrong with eXT.

Sorry for invading your personal forum jens.

Did you read the title of the thread?

I was answering the question

My computer works like a dream - no crackles, glitches etc. So did my last pc. I could build you one and set it up so that it worked properly too.

There are people that use eXT and have pristine audio, I know some, and have built music pcs for one or two. You and some others have a problem so there is obviously a system/setup difference/problem somewhere.

Not everyone on this forum is a genius like you, or a developer, or a beta tester. So to some, my comment about msconfig may be useful, it may even cure a problem. Others can ignore it.

Try not to be such a droll Troll jens! You are not the entire forum, and I certainly aint

s.

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:28 pm

well, FWIW you're utterly missing my point...

DarkStar · Post by **DarkStar** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:30 pm

Play nicely, boys

stanlea · Post by **stanlea** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:41 pm

I still have crackles too, and I believe it is a drawing problem. In the sequencer, clicks occurs when the "cursor" reaches the right of the screen to the next measure, and then redraws the screen. If I bounce to a wav, there is no crackle, so it's a monitoring problem in my view. Some crackles with the mouse too, very few with vsti (only with some crappy SE things programmed by drunk monkeys.

jens · Post by **jens** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 3:46 pm

DarkStar wrote:Play nicely, boys

sure - I only meant - and I stand by this - that it is completely irrelevant if it works for him - it is quite obvious that not everyone has these problems with eXT (i.e. that it works for some flawlessly) but that doesn't change a thing for those who have these problems - coming here and saying 'I got no problems so it must be your inability to properly set up your system' is indeed enormously arrogant.

(and it ain't the first thread where he comes across like this)

And nonetheless he indirectly accuses me of being arrogant.

Again Sturgeon: it is irrelevant if you don't have these problems as long as there are others who indeed have them.

If you are experienced you should know that there are as many different hardware-configurations as there are different users. If your certain machine works that doesn't mean another configuration must also work if it is set up properly. That's nonsense. There are factors which you can't influence (or at least not without a soldering iron

) as an end-user even if you got all the knowledge of the world.

ttwalter · Post by **ttwalter** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:49 pm

Hi all,

imho 50/50. Why?

The title is missleading. It should say why EXT on my system can't handel any audio.....

With the title like it is shurly you get answers like 'Hey for me it works perfect !'

And there was also the question 'Is this just my setup'?

Looks like that some people have that problem and some others have crashings.

Would be interesting if there is something in common on this machines. Maybe Chipset.Maybe GCard and so on. Looks like more often notebooks have problems.

Peace
Thomas

ModuLR · Post by **ModuLR** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 4:58 pm

wasn't trying to stir the pot here (cause trouble)...

hey jorgen...

I finally did a bit more testing... it doesn't matter here wheather it's in the audio comp or the sequencer. It still buzzes. After hearing what jens wrote about he asio4all drivers, I switched over to those for comparision. The Asio4All drivers *barely* glitch here.. even with very low latencies. However, I noticed one interesting thing... when using the Asio4All drivers... the entire GUI is slower if eXT is at say 50% cpu.. while the Echo drivers keep the display moving fast (but buzzing).

I think the echo drivers are more efficient than the Asio4All at the core... in any case, I thought this might shed some light...
http://www.echoaudio.com/Downloads/Developer.php

you can download the source to the generic echo drivers here... maybe that might shed some light on how they handle things?

ttwalter · Post by **ttwalter** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:20 pm

looks like it's depending on task/thread priority/communication gui/sounddriver thinks.

World is so complicated !

Germ777 · Post by **Germ777** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:21 pm

Ok only for comparisons sake

I ran 7 audio channels and did all kinds of moving around the GUI and what not. Even changing colors of the wavs (just in case

) and got no crackling.

The wavs were at 32 bits and 90 measures long.
I have a PIV at 2,4 and 1G of RAM.
M-Audio 24/96 ( the cheapest decent sound card I could find) and tested with a DMA buffer of 512.
My video card is a G-Force 5200.
all drives are using DMA settings and I am running a bunch of stuff in the background (even my net connection at the time of the testing.
The OS is Windows XP Pro but running with the appearance of classic windows and set for best performance

Other than that I do nothig else to boost the PC performance except clean my registry every once in a while.
I got no stutterings, cracklings or noises and the GUI ran as smooth as normal except when re-sizing which led to a bit of a slow reaction, but nothing obnoxious.
Maybe comparing the different set ups among us we can figure out if this is a hardware problem

pough · Post by **pough** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:41 pm

I wasn't trying to say "it works for me so shut up" - just trying to point out directions for looking at possible points of incompatibility, both for the users and the developer. I'm guessing that Tracktion and the graphics driver on my computer have some inherent inability to play nice (much like jens and everyone else

) so it's possible that energyXT has something similar going on with one or two other drivers floating out there in the PC world.

Needless to say, I'm very happy that energyXT plays nice with my system, but more than a little bummed Tracktion won't do the same thing. I like Tracktion a bit better for tracks with lots of audio.

Just trying to help, even if I can't do much. Now, if some of you feel like heading over to my MIDI output thread and seeing if you can output a MIDI file from the sequencer and have it load up in WMP or WinAmp...

ttwalter · Post by **ttwalter** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:51 pm

It's not a bad idear,

it's not going about 'I have the biggest'. It's just mine is common and works fine.

P4 3.0 HT 1GB Ram
Intel 915 Chipset
Audigy with KX drivers 512 Buffer actual drivers
Geforce PCX 5750 - Nvidia actual
XP Home - actual
A lot of thinks on it :
Virus Checker,Wall,SQL Server Running,.......

Only crackles when using - to make the window small.Same happens with Orion Pro.
Ok and for shure when CPU is nearly 100%

Germ777 · Post by **Germ777** » Thu Aug 18, 2005 5:56 pm

ttwalter wrote:it's not going about 'I have the biggest'. It's just mine is common and works fine.

That`s the idea I had in mind.

A lot of thinks on it :
Virus Checker,Wall,SQL Server Running,.......

I have a bunch of stuff running too and my anti virus is great, but eats resources like crazy (panda titanium 2005)

Ok and for shure when CPU is nearly 100%

Oooh mine too

XT Software

KVR Audio

Why can't EXT handle ANY audio without crackling?