just wanted to give a heads up that i had the opportuntity to test out the latest tracktion2 demo (ppc) on a mac os x x86 machine recently...
suprisingly it ran a test mix of some audio-only tracks i whipped together just fine (not sure about effects which would be standard t2 only)... however after a good 45-60 seconds the cpu went 100% and would freeze, but going back to either the projects or options tab and switching back to the edit and playing would resume just fine.
very impressive use of the powerpc translator for very cpu-intensive tasks. i'm quite curious how effects will be handled, and intend to test that the next time i have a chance to.
beno or jules - not sure if you guys have an apple developer subscription and/or access to the devkit, but if jules is building t2 with xcode and has 'i386' enabled in the platform section, i could give a test version a whirl with the built-in audio drivers (unfortunately the apple onyx drivers are ppc only, and apps are the only things going through 'rosetta', not drivers/kextensions).
i fully realize that the 3rd party plugs may have yet to be recompiled and tested, but at least the built-in t2 stuff and possibly mackies vst's could be taken care of...
looking forward to tracktion2+ on future macs with i386 cpus...
.j
Tracktion2 Mac OS X on Intel
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- KVRAF
- 10815 posts since 26 Nov, 2004 from UK
is it not down to mac to sort this? (just asking questions)
or will all developers have to change stuff for SW & drivers to work on them?
i was thinking it would just run off the osx drivers
a nosey Subz
or will all developers have to change stuff for SW & drivers to work on them?
i was thinking it would just run off the osx drivers
a nosey Subz
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 31 posts since 23 Mar, 2004
im not sure who 'maintains' the drivers - if that's apple, mackie, or those who developed the chip for the onyx firewire card (i believe a third party which mackie licensed)... im sure they will come out in time regardless, its just a bummer that those with developer kits cant make use of it now since the drivers are included with Mac OS X.
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- KVRAF
- 1600 posts since 1 Apr, 2003 from Seattle, WA
The Onyx Firewire card is class compliant with apples firewire drivers so it will be up to them to make sure it will again. I have no doubt that they will do just that. We are still a long way off before we see intell macs in the wild other than the dev machines. Having said that, thanks for the update jerbare.
Ben
Ben
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 31 posts since 23 Mar, 2004
no problemo
if apple is good anything its keeping people on their toes... based on the original announcement from mister 'reality-distortion-field' jobs, intel macs will be available by the next ADC (june 2006) - but who knows how soon they will ship before that - especially if powerpc sales start to nosedive due to the switch.
keeping that in mind it makes me wonder... will apple drop another bomb and ship them sooner than expected? and will developers have their software ready? :)
if apple is good anything its keeping people on their toes... based on the original announcement from mister 'reality-distortion-field' jobs, intel macs will be available by the next ADC (june 2006) - but who knows how soon they will ship before that - especially if powerpc sales start to nosedive due to the switch.
keeping that in mind it makes me wonder... will apple drop another bomb and ship them sooner than expected? and will developers have their software ready? :)
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- KVRAF
- 3745 posts since 29 Sep, 2002 from Killafornia
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- KVRist
- 54 posts since 17 Aug, 2005 from Hillsboro OR, USA
Just to let some more hopes run wild on the whole Mac-PC issue. I actually work for Intel, in the Fab where the Apple chips will come from. Without getting myself in trouble I would say, in my own personal opinion, that an early launch of the Mac with Intel chips could happen.
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- KVRAF
- 2750 posts since 2 Feb, 2005 from Raincoast of Grayland
Those Apple chips you're making, ruwaldo, are they better looking, sleeker, more stylish than those ugly, square chips Intel makes for the rest of us plebs?
perception: the stuff reality is made of.
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- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 31 posts since 23 Mar, 2004
hahahahaha, nice one mandolarian.
seeing that its ruwaldo's first post, i wonder what else he might comment on...
i wonder if these 'custom apple cpu' rumors are true, or if they will go the cheapo-route and just use normal 'off-the-shelf' sku chips... obviously the off-the-shelf would be much cheaper to produce (and more attractive from a replacement standpoint).
but this IS apple we're talking about... they love to change things up just a little enough so that it works with their hardware only...
they even went so far as to put notches in to their usb-extender cables that came with powermac's... thankfully you could file them off... :>
anyhow, all interesting talk...
seeing that its ruwaldo's first post, i wonder what else he might comment on...
i wonder if these 'custom apple cpu' rumors are true, or if they will go the cheapo-route and just use normal 'off-the-shelf' sku chips... obviously the off-the-shelf would be much cheaper to produce (and more attractive from a replacement standpoint).
but this IS apple we're talking about... they love to change things up just a little enough so that it works with their hardware only...
they even went so far as to put notches in to their usb-extender cables that came with powermac's... thankfully you could file them off... :>
anyhow, all interesting talk...
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- KVRist
- 54 posts since 17 Aug, 2005 from Hillsboro OR, USA
we could wrap the cpu in anything that would make you feel better about it mandolarian. for most real mac guys the G4s have been closer to PCs than they have liked any way.
as far as things go on my side of the computer house i'm very excited about the next couple of years. with what i know about our road map for the next few years things are only going to get better for us home recording guys. i have to preface this with the statement that i'm speaking only for myself and not as a representative of Intel.
i know from talking with friends that work for the company that we are working with companies that make recording software to address the performance issues that people have with our processors. this can only lead to good things for us guys that record at home.
as far as the mac guys go... macs have been closer to pcs than most of the granola bunch have been comfortable with for the past couple of years. when it comes right down to it the hardware is not the issue. it doesn't matter if you are talking AMD vs Intel or Mac vs PC. the operating system and applications have more to do with end user satisfaction than the hardware. Apple has had the upper hand because they have much tighter control over who writes code for their operating system. their operating system is much more efficient than Windows. the end result of Apple going with Intel chips is that I hope the pressure will be put on the rest of the industry to write better apps.
i feel that Apple's decision to go with Intel chips is a vote for us. they could have gone with ANYONE in the computer industry but they decided on Intel. to me that says alot about our future plans.
Russ
for most real mac guys the G4s have been closer to PCs than they have liked any way.as far as things go on my side of the computer house i'm very excited about the next couple of years. with what i know about our road map for the next few years things are only going to get better for us home recording guys. i have to preface this with the statement that i'm speaking only for myself and not as a representative of Intel.
i know from talking with friends that work for the company that we are working with companies that make recording software to address the performance issues that people have with our processors. this can only lead to good things for us guys that record at home.
as far as the mac guys go... macs have been closer to pcs than most of the granola bunch have been comfortable with for the past couple of years. when it comes right down to it the hardware is not the issue. it doesn't matter if you are talking AMD vs Intel or Mac vs PC. the operating system and applications have more to do with end user satisfaction than the hardware. Apple has had the upper hand because they have much tighter control over who writes code for their operating system. their operating system is much more efficient than Windows. the end result of Apple going with Intel chips is that I hope the pressure will be put on the rest of the industry to write better apps.
i feel that Apple's decision to go with Intel chips is a vote for us. they could have gone with ANYONE in the computer industry but they decided on Intel. to me that says alot about our future plans.
Russ