T2 comparisons...

[ceenda]

Midi editor. The editor is a little too small for me and I don't want to have to keep on moving things around on the screen to keep it the same size. It would be nice to have a separate midi editing window. I currently don't like the look of the editor, but I understand that this is always a personal thing.

You do know that in the miscelaneous settings you make it zoom to a larger size right? And also, there is setting in options for the default zoom level? Do either of these help things?

Ben

Hi Beno, I think this comes back, in part, to the fact that you can't simply click on a clip and then press a button to maximise it horizontally and vertically to the screen for editing.

Unless I'm mistaken, you have to select it, Press F4 to set it to the horizontal width, then Press Z (or double click the clip) to open it for editing. Even when it's set to "6 octaves" or whatever in miscellaneous settings, 90% of the time you still end up dragging the bottom of the track to resize it.

At the very least (and I think a few people have suggested this), when a clip is selected, it would be great to be able to just press a button and have that clip centered and maximised, ready for input.

[Beno]

Yup I realize that anoyance. I just wanted to make sure that was indeed his complaint and it was something simple like the default settings.
Ben

[valley]

IMV: the 'big' zoom setting shoud ideally default to making the clip utilize all available edit region space.

The middle zoom level should be roughly about quarter of the available space.

[djsubject]

optional mixer & optional midi editor on separate windows

[Synthbuilder]

Thank you Ben for your fast reply.

What I would like is that the midi editor takes over the whole screen, or even just the editing bit when you double click on a clip. Right now, you have to stretch this and that to get it to size itself nicely.

This is similar to the way Cubase and rest handle it. To me midi editing is not part of the track edit, but a function in itself. A bit like wave editing in that respect. And we have to do that in a new window/application.

My comment about the multiple automation parameters was to do with editing multiple midi CCs at once. Since Tracktion does not automate rewire parameters via its automation facility [the big A], one has to do this in the midi editor. The midi editor can only show one CC at any one time. Again, the lack of space makes it hard to do this easily. Its not impossible, but compared to the ease of editing CCs in Live or Reason's sequencer, Tracktion does appear a little cumbersome.

Sorry to sound so negative. I don't want to be. Tracktion is a wonderfully stable audio recorder and I really want it to work. But for me the midi side of things is lacking enough for me to look elsewhere.

[Beno]

OK, thanks Tony. I understand what you mean now.
Ben

[valley]

To me midi editing is not part of the track edit, but a function in itself. A bit like wave editing in that respect. And we have to do that in a new window/application.

I expect to be able to edit MIDI/audio data in relation to audio events that coincide with it. Completely divorcing wave editing or MIDI editing from the context of an edit seems to me like a step backwards.

The ability to trim/slide an audio file such that it locks in groove exactly to a MIDI drum track by showing both tracks in large form is one of Tracktion's great strengths, and the single most compelling reason I quit cubase in the first place.

You don't actually need a new window to edit things, just a handle of useful default zoom sizes.

[Rock]

IMV: the 'big' zoom setting shoud ideally default to making the clip utilize all available edit region space.

The middle zoom level should be roughly about quarter of the available space.

And...

1 - The zoomed track should always be totally visible, never requiring the user to scroll it into view

2 - The MIDI edit window should also automatically encompass and zoom into the full pitch range of existing MIDI notes within the clip.

[Synthbuilder]

Valley, I never said I don't want to see what we have already disappear and have faceless clips with no data to be viewed inside. You are quite right, this would indeed be a step back.

But for fine detailed editing you need a bigger window with multiple track lanes for CC and midi note data. As it is, we can't do this.

This also applies to wav file editing which we currently can't do in Tracktion either.

[Mr. Tingle]

To me midi editing is not part of the track edit, but a function in itself. A bit like wave editing in that respect. And we have to do that in a new window/application.

I expect to be able to edit MIDI/audio data in relation to audio events that coincide with it. Completely divorcing wave editing or MIDI editing from the context of an edit seems to me like a step backwards.

The ability to trim/slide an audio file such that it locks in groove exactly to a MIDI drum track by showing both tracks in large form is one of Tracktion's great strengths, and the single most compelling reason I quit cubase in the first place.

You don't actually need a new window to edit things, just a handle of useful default zoom sizes.

How true.

All that really needs to happen is that when you select a track and press z, the midi clip always open in-screen and never off the bottom or off the top.

As for the horizontal scale, thats another question..

[Mr. Tingle]

I happen to think that macro commands could quite easily solve all sorts of GUI related issues by custom building your own short cut groups.

Each person could then create their own unique way of interfacing with T.

[dealwithit]

This is kind of off-topic, but I really think it's time for Volume/Pan filters that stay the same size regardless of how many filters are applied to a track. When I demo'd T2 and saw that V/P filters still shrink, I resisted the upgrade. This one thing keeps me from mixing in T. I know what you'll say: "if you let that one thing bother you....", but for me it's a deal-breaker. Sometimes my V/P's are TINY, and the mouse bounces between volume and pan, and I have to struggle. It's not conducive to workflow.

C'mon, we all have to admit that we've had, and still have, this problem. Volume and Pan are quite important to a mix, no? Shouldn't they be relegated a bit more importance than other filters?

</rant off>

[IIRs]

My comment about the multiple automation parameters was to do with editing multiple midi CCs at once. Since Tracktion does not automate rewire parameters via its automation facility [the big A], one has to do this in the midi editor. The midi editor can only show one CC at any one time. Again, the lack of space makes it hard to do this easily. Its not impossible, but compared to the ease of editing CCs in Live or Reason's sequencer, Tracktion does appear a little cumbersome.

Here's a possible workaround: create a VST (your name implies you know how to!) with a bunch of gui knobs each of which transmits a useful MIDI controller.. now you can automate the knobs using VST automation, which will generate cc data, which can be sent wherever you need it.

[Watto]

This post really interests me, as I'm looking for a host at the moment, and Tracktion seems to get lots of votes. I have a couple of newbie questions, if that's cool...

Can you use 2 monitors with Tracktion?

Is channel aftertouch going to be added?

Cheers,

B.

[koolkeys]

I think we should have an option to hide the other areas that you currently can't hide. This includes the bottom section, and even the edit section. that way, you can have just the "channel strip" going across the screen. Besides, for many, many years, that's how people mixed, and still do. Anyone who uses tape or a larger console, such as an SSL or Neve, and only using an HD recorder. You didn't see the wave forms or even MIDI tracks. You edited by ear, and being able to hide the editing area would suit those of us who want larger access to the V/P filters and such. Then it could just fill the whole screen, kind of like a sideways mixer.

Koolkeys