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fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 11:48 am

Hi Rene,

OK, you say I misunderstood you. Sorry for that.

Midiworks wrote: Fritz, I invite you to take the dry tracks of the Amp Response demo,
to use it with ANY amp sim you like and post it here !
I agree tho, that it always can get better.

And exactly that is THE problem. I don't REALLY like ANY amp sim out there. I didn't get a 100% satisfying sound out of one of them. I'm not into comparing amp sims here. I want a great guitar sound and for THAT good tube amps are the mark where everything else looks either wimpy or has "some" qualities.
I tried most amp sims that are available and none of them does exactly what a good tube amp does.
For the rest, Sascha said it in many well chosen words.
I built and modded tube amps for years and I know how hard it is to get REALLY what you want. Even with the real thing. This is the reason why even most tube amps don't sound as good as a Rectifier, a Bogner or a Diezel. It's hard to be 100% satisfied when you know the real deal and do hear and feel the differences when playing guitar.

I don't want to bother with this thing anymore until I can have it available for my use. Then we'll see if your abilities and taste do suit my taste and my quality standard (which is high enough for a tube amp itself) for a 100% satisfying tube amp stack replacement inside of my computer.

Best wishes, FRitz

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 12:22 pm

fritzman wrote:It's hard to be 100% satisfied when you know the real deal and do hear and feel the differences when playing guitar.

We'll see if your abilities and taste do suit my taste and my quality standard (which is high enough for a tube amp itself) for a 100% satisfying tube amp stack replacement inside of my computer.

100% satisfying results at all times are a dream, as you say yourself indirectly.
Even with the real thing, you might be safisfied one day (but 100% ?),
the next day you are not.

Start recording, leave all untouched, come back the next day,
suddenly you are not happy anymore with that great sound you had yesterday.

To suit a taste is another story...
Sascha would for sure tweak things way different,
than Dimitar, you or I would do.

veseli koljac · Post by **veseli koljac** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 4:41 pm

#midiworks
did you try your ampsim with some better di box?
behringer ultra g gi 100 dosen't have a real hi-z input.it is only 250 kohm,which isn't enough,it should be somewhere around the 1000 kohm.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:34 pm

ALRIGHT GUYS !

The lower end is now tight like a virgin !

(but can be loosen too)

Air sim is also done !

Actually that was quite easy, since I had it happen before.
Air is comming for the price of ca.3.2% cpu on my P4 2ghz.
(I will try to get it down tho, but it can be turned on/off as usual.)

It can only get better !

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:45 pm

Awesome. Not too worried about CPU usage if the effect is realistic. I have a athlon 2000+, so if it's not killing your 2 Ghz P4, then it won't kill mine. For mastering anyway I will save the dry track and bounce or freeze the ampsim track, so not really a big deal. As long as it can be tweaked with later, I'm good. I think it's been said before - I don't want to open 30 instances of your plugin, just one or two at the most getting a great sound. I can't open 30 instances of my POD, that's for sure.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 7:47 pm

How realistic is the loosening? Will there be blood?

Midiworks wrote

The lower end is now tight like a virgin !
(but can be loosen too)

play · Post by **play** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:35 pm

Since so many guitar pros are in this thread I'd like to ask a short semi-off-topic question: I have a UA-25 soundcard which takes an instrument signal as input. But I've read frequently that you should use a specialized DI-box to get the guitar signal into your PC. My research on DI-boxes so far turned up only full blown amp sims (like the POD for example). The way I understand it, there must be some kind of device that picks up the guitar signal and prepares it for apps like Midiworks VST amp sim without adding their own hardware amp or cabinet sim. Am I right? And if so, what boxes would you recommend for best results (better than the UA-25)

keithm · Post by **keithm** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:47 pm

Help! Is there a download link here somewhere for this amp sim - I can't find one.

Funkybot · Post by **Funkybot** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:53 pm

It's not out yet Keith. I think most of us are trying to petition Midiworks to say enough already and release it.

jens · Post by **jens** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:53 pm

keithm wrote:Help! Is there a download link here somewhere for this amp sim - I can't find one.

not yet - but it will be released soon

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:53 pm

Play - the UA25 is a great unit. has the Hi Z input already. Read your exact specs, but a direct box should have about 1000 kohm connection. My Hi-z on my Tascam US428 is about 560kohms, not as good as a direct box, but usable. Just connect using the Hi-Z input on your UA25 and you can record directly. I have trim pots on the Tascam line level ins to crank up the input gain, so I can do that too. I can't tell much difference between the Hi-Z and the line with gain cranked up really. maybe a little thicker sounding on the Hi-Z. My guitar is not so good though.

Sepheritoh · Post by **Sepheritoh** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:54 pm

play wrote:Since so many guitar pros are in this thread I'd like to ask a short semi-off-topic question: I have a UA-25 soundcard which takes an instrument signal as input. But I've read frequently that you should use a specialized DI-box to get the guitar signal into your PC. My research on DI-boxes so far turned up only full blown amp sims (like the POD for example). The way I understand it, there must be some kind of device that picks up the guitar signal and prepares it for apps like Midiworks VST amp sim without adding their own hardware amp or cabinet sim. Am I right? And if so, what boxes would you recommend for best results (better than the UA-25)

I might be on the wrong track, but I think the purpose of a DI box is to take the out from an amplifier and bring it down to instrument level. That means you need a pre-amp if you wish to record guitar to soundcard direct with no interference.

Wormhelmet · Post by **Wormhelmet** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:56 pm

I've never used a direct box, but I always thought they were to take a high impedance signal to a line level signal. I may be totally confused about that though.

play · Post by **play** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 8:58 pm

Thanks for the info, Wormhelmet. I'll have to check for the exact spex, but from what you say it seems the input of the UA25 is good enough after all. I suppose the latency of the ASIO driver plays a big role for the responsiveness of a VST amp sim as well. I'll see how low I can get it.

As far as getting instrument levels from a power amp, I thought these things are called load boxes? I don't know much, though...

Thanks for answering.

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Mon Sep 05, 2005 9:03 pm

wrong track, epheritoh.
Wormhelmet is right.

@play
You are fine.

Guitar players, The soundclick MP3 demo page got updated !