Protools Users, how do u do it >>>>>>

[Nev]

it's all so relative...........

I really do think though that after using a bazillion hosts.......the protools RULES even with the limitations. I really really don't belive when I hear things like "protools is the main pro app because it's been around for so long".......I think there is allot more to it than that.

It basiaclly always works.........everything sits the way it is supposed to, it highly useable.

But I'll admit, I'm not as much an instant gratification person as others might be. I like to hunt and tweak.....it's in my nature

Now.............for quick layouts, and maybe a change of pace, I like live/tracktion/ext...........they are better templates to work with for just getting ideas out.

Then, I bring in the big guns And the mix/sound/workflow for pro results is just hard to beat.

imho

Haha I hear yer.

And something else in PTs favour is that it does seem to be reasonably bug free on both PC and Mac in my experience. I still prefer Live 5 tho.... I'm all about instant gratification

Nev

[Nev]

Realtime bouncing!! Bleh.

Indeed! People keep telling me its good to check your mix.

Not if you have to do like 50 tracks a day it's not!

Nev

No, and I can't remember the last time I got a glitch in an offline bounce...my heart bleeds for ya, man.

It's not glitches, it's the time I lose...

Still always a chance to go make a cup o' tea!

Nev

[Rusty Shackleford]

Another thing worth considering is that people doing serious softsynth work in PT will often write in Logic(or cubase or whatever) and just *mix* in PT.

[Nev]

What's a real shame is that Digidesign don't have a demo you can try on a "modern" operating system, so you can find out for yourself it suits your working style etc.

Nev

[Rusty Shackleford]

That presupposes that digidesign cares about your working style. Pro Tools is a studio standard, so you have to adapt your system, working style, and possibly soul to conform to their specifications. This is especially true with TDM systems.

[james0tucson]

That presupposes that digidesign cares about your working style. Pro Tools is a studio standard, so you have to adapt your system, working style, and possibly soul to conform to their specifications. This is especially true with TDM systems.

Well, I've been wondering for years whether the consumer stuff will surpass the capabilities of the Digistein stuff, to the point that self-produced material reaches the plateau where it becomes successful even by the measures applied to commercial releases. Where artists routinely opt out of "signing", where agents can cut out the middleman that is the studio, that sort of thing. A revolution to turn the industry on its head.

But it keeps not happening, and, supposedly, pro studio users continue to claim to be happy using PT.
Whatever.

[hello1234]

edit, forget it

[hello1234]

edit, forget it

[SleepyP]

well you know as much as you talk about how "the revolution" isn't happening or whatever, i feel a certain ammount of perspective is neccessary here, which i wanna inject simply with this: it's not like people are saying "oh now that we have so much better technology people are making much better music."
nope. i would argue that in fact there's more crappy stuff made today than ever before in the history of mankind. i know that's unprovable and i'm just rambling, but it's fun

[james0tucson]

well you know as much as you talk about how "the revolution" isn't happening or whatever, i feel a certain ammount of perspective is neccessary here, which i wanna inject simply with this: it's not like people are saying "oh now that we have so much better technology people are making much better music."
nope. i would argue that in fact there's more crappy stuff made today than ever before in the history of mankind. i know that's unprovable and i'm just rambling, but it's fun

I live in a world that includes acoustic guitars, classical pianos and flutes, etc. Now that $50 24-bit recording has been thrown into the mix, why not a revolution?

Or, at least, more artists should be doing for instance what Ani DiFranco did, literally tell the record companies to fwck off, make successful material without them, and keep the whole pie.

[ross g]

IMHO It's over rated. Well LE is anyway.

Realtime bouncing gets so on my nerves you wouldn't believe!

Does anyone know if the TDM version has this too ?

Nev

this is a serious question, what is it that you can do that isn't "real time", what is it you do with this, i've heard of "freezing" and i don't know what it is...


1. i'll never give up my analog synth gear
2. i think i would have been more happy with max/msp than reaktor



rg

(i actually came 'round "hosts" for T2 q's, i'll play around more, see you tomorrow!!!)


rg

Basically, inmost hosts you can select an area and render to disk or somesuch and it does it offline. In PT you pretty much do the same, and then "bounce" to disk. Which basicallt means it plays back your mix and records it, so realtime bouncing. Yeah you can consolidate and export but I wish I could just do save as and choose wav and...kerpow...like every other sequencer known to man, you have a file of you mix.

I'm not knocking PT too much tho. It is as you say very important that you are comfortable with the software you use, and its all about the way in which "you" work. For audio recording / clean up/ editing PT is probably one of the finest.

Nev

i guess what i don't understand is: if you are bouncing a track to disk, doesn't it have to write to disk? in other words, how does it do it offline? i thought that sound files have to write in real time if they are full bandwidth, same as how one can't compress audio files, they are as tight as they can be unlike some redundacy in visuals and such (i'm talking FULL BANDWIDTH as in lossless, i know mp3's are compressed but they are "lossy")..i'm not trying to be an ass, i just don't get it..


rg

I don't know the dsp behind it but most software, Audition, Live 5, Cubase et, will let you "render" a selection, and then it does its magic and you have a wav file or whatever of that data on your hard disc. It normally takes considerably less than "realtime". It can also be what ever quality you set, not neccesarily lossy like mp3.

However in PT it actually plays back that area in realtime as it does its conversions, or if you select it will do the conversions after its finished the playback. Does that make sense ? Bit rambly....

Nev

yeah, both you guys made sense...this stuff is new to me, i thought there was some sort of compromise or something...cool!


rg

[koolkeys]

PT does get a bad rap here on KVR quite often. And in my opinion, very unfairly. For audio editing, mixing, and such, there is just no better option. Maybe a few comparable one, but you'd be hard pressed to find another host that surpasses.

Automation in PT is fantastic. Even the MIDI is coming along. And they are improving it more with version 7. I run at version 6.9 now and love it.

Ease of use is great I think in PT. It's not really that hard to get started with. Granted, ALOT of functions are under the hood or behind a menu somewhere, but once you find them, it just clicks.

Very stable, in fact, rock solid in most applications.

I will say this. Until recently, PT was way too expensive for alot of home musicians to use. But Digidesign didn't really cater to that demographic. But now, things are changing. Digidesign are bringing us more cost effective options. The TDM version still takes the cake, and is superb. But the LE version isn't TOO far behind.

It is subjective, and your host has to compliment the way you work. So PT won't be for everyone. But you can make any kind of music you want in it, electronic or otherwise. It's still the best for pure recording power and mixing. But it's not for everyone. Even I use T2 for my own stuff. But PT is still the "Pro Tool" of choice because it works, and it's stable. But it's unfair to say that any host is better than another. PT is just one fantastic option in a crowd of fantastic options. It's a good day to be a musician. I just wish that everybody and his brother didn't think they were an engineer these days. It makes some really crappy music to be heard. But then again, that's subjective also. So I digress......

Koolkeys

[bduffy]

Some good points there, Koolkeys. Still, I think one of the most salient points so far is that most PT compose in Logic (or similar) and mix in PT. So, really, I was gonna say something profound...this is turning into another PT/PC/Mac thread! man, there must be some members shaking their heads reading this...

I'll pick up PT when I got the bills and get back to you. I'm sure it kicks ass (except for the realtime bouncing...)!

[hello1234]

edit, forget it.

[Rusty Shackleford]

Yeah but all of those studios that are using pro tools are usually using it mainly as a replacement for analog tape, and routing the signals through analog consoles, vintage gear, etc. The sound of an SSL console isn't the sound of pro tools, but they're tied together quite closely and you shouldn't mistake one for the other. There are certainly native plugins(or UAD/powercore plugins) that sound every bit as good as pro tools plugins.