KVR Audio

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:22 pm

josevin2000 wrote: and finally i strongly feel adding rewire capability will enhance Protools reputation a bit..

PT already supports ReWire, and has done for about two years. In fact, if you buy an LE system you get cutdown versions of Reason and Live in the box; both are used via ReWire.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:25 pm

ross g wrote: i 'ed ie it WAS A JOKE! i attacked no one intentionally...

sorry..(edit: after re-reading my last post i guess it does look like i'm ripping on youse, again UNINTENTIONAL!)

Fair enough. I wasn't offended as such, so no problem.

warp x · Post by **warp x** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:34 pm

no, not only TDM
you can buy the translator for LE

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:36 pm

warp x wrote:no, not only TDM
you can buy the translator for LE

DigiTranslator? Well you can. But it costs more than PT and an Mbox, doesnt it?

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:40 pm

No, PTLE doesn't import OMF, although I wish it did. It does import several formats, including BWav, of course.

To Jens,
I understand how my statements could have left more to be desired. However, I never intended to give details, as they weren't related to this thread. And we were already way off course. I have no problem naming specifics, or answering any questions you may have. PT does get a bad wrap. It does have some severe weaknesses, especially in LE. But it has strengths also. It is honestly hard to sit here and tell you a list of things to support my arguments. Why? Because I just use it. Plus, I don't know what host you would be coming from, and therefore don't know how it compares(especially if you're using EXT, cause I don't know EXT that well. Isn't that what you use?).

Regardless, no harm done. I hold no grudges, nor are my intentions to cause friction. I just feel like your intent was to just dispute everything I said. Sorry on my part if you were genuinly concerned. It came across wrong though.

So once again, if there are questions, please PM me. I will do my best. I'm not the biggest expert in the world, but I know several people who are VERY skilled in PT, and I can find an answer if I don't know it. Peace.

Koolkeys

koolkeys · Post by **koolkeys** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 9:42 pm

whyterabbyt wrote:
warp x wrote:no, not only TDM
you can buy the translator for LE
DigiTranslator? Well you can[/i. But it costs more than PT and an Mbox, doesnt it?

Yeah, the translator isn't cheap. You get a demo with PT so if you are switching and want to just change your session files over all at once, it will work for like either 14 or 30 days. I'm not really sure how long. But again, if you are totally switching, you can do that. Or just use BWav files to get the placements the same.

Koolkeys

Rusty Shackleford · Post by **Rusty Shackleford** » Mon Sep 12, 2005 10:26 pm

From what I've heard, Digi is currently working on a format to replace OMF, and it may or may not be implemented into v7(as for LE support, i'm not really sure).

For what it's worth, much as I might dislike Digidesign, I really don't mind Pro Tools. Working with an HD rig and being able to multitrack record countless tracks at once, and monitor those tracks through plugins with virtually no latency or CPU hit is nice indeed. And, PT has excellent tools for working with audio itself, way better than Logic(which is my DAW of choice).

IMO, PT is excellent for recording and editing audio, but it's barely functional for *writing* music the way you would in most other DAWs. Maybe this is part of what contributes to the anti-PT attitudes that you'll hear everywhere. But really, the world of digital audio is pretty brutal, and the fact that Pro Tools is still around and being widely used means that they must be doing *something* right.

Yes, it's finnicky and expensive, but at the end of the day it usually does the job that recording studios need it to do.

Pantsdown666 · Post by **Pantsdown666** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:05 am

Anti-PT threads (or infornation-seeking threads that turn into such) are semi-regular on kVr. I usualy chime in into these with bits of information, but this time i'll try a summary of some thoughts I have about it as my regular app :

* PT is behind many other hosts in the MIDI department. But not as far as most people are suggesting. It's pretty clear (and understandable, if you're concentrating on other apps) that most people are unaware of the MIDI advancements that occured after version 6.7, nearly a year ago.
Anyway, if your ONLY focus is composing with virtual instruments, PT is not your app. Be aware that your focus and interests may change over time.

* If you have a screen full of audio tracks and you wan to get right in there and cut/paste/mangle bits of audio, jumping around from track to track, not having to go to mu;tiple separate windows , then PT (and perhaps Nuendo) rule. Sorry, the "digital tape recorder" analogy doesn't cover PT's capabilities in regards to audio, although it's true that if you want to record some "live" music, bands etc, it is the best digital tape recorder.

* If you're working with movies then forget the other apps, especially if you want to get paid and be able to move betwen multiple studios. If you don't care so much about compatibility, then Nuendo is just as good.

Because I work with movies, like freedom in cutting/processing my audio, AND use virtual instruments, I use PT because it covers my needs adequately in all three areas.

If I was ONLY making music with virtual instruments I would have jumped to Logic a while ago. But my needs are more varied, and FXpansion's VST wrapper has solidified me staying here for the moment.

Protools' ongoing dominance comes from this flexibility of purposes as much as it does from the "general public" ignorance about other apps that seems to rile people here so much.

Many of the threads here at kVr seem fuelled by resentment that the seeming superiority of their host-of-choice in the MIDI department is not recognised on the street or in the marketplace. Well, there's a world beyond MIDI, even though from the official position of kVr's focus on open-source plug-ins, this world may seem less important.

So .. as others have said ... use what suits your purposes and needs.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:20 am

yep dont ignore PD his and others insight in my thread helped greatly.
so thanks to those helpers

Pantsdown666 · Post by **Pantsdown666** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:34 am

vurt wrote:yep dont ignore PD his and others insight in my thread helped greatly.
so thanks to those helpers

How u going with it at school Vurt ?
have they installed the RTAS Reefer plug-in yet ?

saturdaysaint · Post by **saturdaysaint** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:54 am

No host is perfect, being made by human beings producing software for countless different workflow styles with countless hardware setups; thus, the easiest thing in the world is to find shortcomings or areas where your host of choice is stronger in comparison to another. I'm not even a PT user, but all these host-bashing threads inevitably remind me of when I was a little kid arguing over which was better - Super Nintendo or Sega Genesis? I think we need to take a step back and realize that we're arguing over technology that will be practically obsolete in a very short amount of time. The fact that so much serious music (perhaps the majority of major label recordings) is being made with Pro Tools, which is definitely light on features compared to most of the heavyweight hosts, should confirm what a waste of time this is compared to making music.

Aleatoric · Post by **Aleatoric** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 12:57 am

I just do it.

Beardedone · Post by **Beardedone** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:15 pm

Good informative post PD. Thanks.

Gordon

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 1:24 pm

josevin2000 wrote:Yep even i dont think the LE versons allow for omf import... which really must be included.. hope it comes in version 7... and finally i strongly feel adding rewire capability will enhance Protools reputation a bit..

Well Mr NOT SO STUPID AMERICAN PIG , sorry for generalising my opinion... dont nail me on that one/// ..

so are you saying Im not so stupid, or not so american, or not such a pig

ross g · Post by **ross g** » Tue Sep 13, 2005 6:55 pm

Pantsdown666 wrote: Sorry, the "digital tape recorder" analogy doesn't cover PT's capabilities in regards to audio, although it's true that if you want to record some "live" music, bands etc, it is the best digital tape recorder.

i know what you mean, but when i refered to PT as a "digital tape recorder", i meant it offers the best stuff you can do with a multi-track recording deck with the best stuff of digital, ie random access, cutting/pasting, endless bouncing, that sort of thing...with a nod to the original post, you can easily integrate other stuff like hardware sequencers and such and concentrate on the audio...back in the day Digi introduced the Samplecell which allowed one to easily pull files from a project and make a sampled instrument from it with out leaving the cpu environment and put all the files into the same folder (sounded not so good though):this was a great, new thing at the time, it went along with the concept of hardware to do the work and the computer for cotrol and file storage (i wish someone would come out with a comprehensive card that could do hardcore synthesis w/ sampling and have zero cpu hit and perhaps have it's own ram and a firewire port for streaming/storage...it was a great idea, there's stuff close to this concept i suppose)

ahhh, i'm rambling now....

rg

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