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awesome discussion guys :D

bManic awesome samples right there. I choose the Sonalksis personally but Blockfish is very impressive also. Aleksey also thanks for posting the new sample ... it does sound a lot better! I must admit that I love how the sonalksis crushed them so hard and it still could crush more ! lol It definitely has a different quality than crunchessor but that could be considered a good / bad thing under particular situations.

bManic demonstrated my problem with Crunchessor very well in his samples .. notice how the crunchessor sample you posted has that clicking quality, even though you can't even hear the compressor working all that much. That is what confused me about Crunchessor initially.

What samples are used on those drums ??? They sound amazing !!!!!

But as you said, it does look like crunchessor is a specialist compressor rather than a track compressor. It works well on some things but not on others. I am definitely ready to buy Sonalksis right now lol ... I compared it to UAD-1 compressors (using the samples on the site) and could easily produce a very similar sound to the LA-2A, 1176 and Fairchild. The EQ also reminds me very much of the Oxford, it was almost impossible to notice the difference when comparing the same settings. While comparing the LA-2A on a vocal sample, I also tried the VoxFormer, and I must say ... I was EXTREMELY impressed. The voxformer sounded better to my ears than the LA-2A ... is that possible ?? lol IT added this very soft quality to the voice, like a subtle character that was so awesome !!

As for the Crunchessor, I think it's now a matter of seeing what becomes of it over time. This new mode that Aleksey is implementing will definitely make it was more useable for me.

Aleksey the reason I didn't want to use Polysquasher for bus compression is due to the latency ... I think it was in the thousands of samples or something ? So for real-time stuff, I don't think it would be suitable for me.

Can anyone recommend a good track limiter (not mix limiter) ? i.e. one with little latency ? I have so far seen the Buzzcomp Maxi3 (free and sounds nice, bad interface though) and Kjaerhus GPP. Any other good ones ?

Keep up the great work Aleksey, I can't wait to hear the updated crunchessor.

Cheers
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soundpalace wrote: awesome discussion guys :D
Yes, lets keep it going! I'll post the original drum file as a .wav tomorrow so you all can start adding examples!
soundpalace wrote: What samples are used on those drums ??? They sound amazing !!!!!
Thanks for the compliment, they are REAL drums that I recorded in a friends 'homeish' studio about a month ago. The 'original' sample has only some EQ on the kick and a highpass on the over head microphones. Nothing else.

Cheers!
bManic

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awesome stuff bud :D I'll also be interested to compare these compressors with some UAD-1 users. I'm convinced that Sonalksis can produce the majority of tones that the classic compressors on the UAD-1 can :D Have you noticed how much I love Sonalksis ? lol Definitely gonna buy it, I jsut can't live without it !! I just sounds so awesome. But listening to Aleksey's new sample makes me see that the 2 compressors are different and could both be equally useable in particular situations. I like the sound of Sleksey's new algorithm, it is different to the sonalksis or any other compressor i've heard (as you had also mentioned) ... and the popping quality is gone now which is wonderful !

Cheerios
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i like aleksey's one best by far, sounds like he used a much longer attack.

but out of bmanics examples sonalksis was my fav, it seems much more 'together' and flows better imo. the other 2 sound a bit unbalanced to me, the kik being too boomy, and everythings a lil messy.

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wm thanks for your comments too mate. I must agree that Aleksey's new sample certainly does sound great. I think it depends on the application also ... i.e. if you want that squashed drum sound .etc :D

Well folks I finally have got some demos of my own, also with drums for today ... maybe we'll grab some other samples soon too...

I have tested Sonalksis, Kjaerhus Classic, Crunchessor 1.6 and also the GeneComp by www.x-buz.com. I will admit that I love the x-buz limiter but these compressors sound pretty bad in comparison to the rest. The one that surprised me was the Kjaerhus which I liked best in this example but the Crunchessor is starting to sound a lot better when the release time is shorter, check out the 2 crunchessor examples below, here are the details...

Dry Sound
http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/Drums.mp3

Kjaerhus Classic
http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/Drums%2 ... ressor.mp3

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Sonalksis
http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/Drums%20Sonalksis.mp3

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GeneComp
http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/Drums%20GeneComp.mp3

Image ... what an ugly GUI :S

Voxengo Crunchessor (Long Release)
http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/Drums%20Crunchessor.mp3

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Voxengo Crunchessor (Short Release)
http://www.users.on.net/~djbros/Drums%2 ... or%202.mp3

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Sorry the levels aren't too even along files, I was feeling lazy :D

All opinions welcome :D

Cheers
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I use crunchessor as a supplement to the compressors on the UAD-1. In comparision the crunchessor is very transparent. IMO, using it on a channel insert brings the audio up front without messing with the character of the material. The UADs I use whenever I want character!

The exception is electric guitar. Crunchessor adds some twang to clean guitartracks.

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Here's the original file of the drums in .wav format so that you can do your own compression on them.

Original Dry Track in .wav format

I've also added, to the original post, an example of Compadre doing some compression.

If you can't bother reading back a few pages then here's a quick link to it.

- bManic

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bmanic wrote: ....I've also added, to the original post, an example of Compadre doing some compression.

If you can't bother reading back a few pages then here's a quick link to it.

- bManic
Have to say this is my favourite so far on this loop, nice sound to may ears (even on these multimedia speakers I`m listening on here). 8)

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:) yes yes, that compadre sounds tres molto tight in the lower register. Did you push it as much as the others? It sounds more "composed" down there than the Sonalksis, for example.

Btw, do you rock guys really put the same comp on the whole drum kit in real life? On the basis of these samples I'd definitely go for the Sonalksis for the cymbals (seems to give them a nice sheen), but let something else take care of the bottom. Something that I thought was quite common?

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For a 'real mix' I'd first compress the snare and kick separately (which they are not in the original file) and then run the whole lot trough a drumbus compressor to 'geel' them all together and control the overall compression of the drums within the mix.

Cheers!
bManic

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Just wanted to demonstrate the new fast attack mode in Crunchessor (Snappy style): http://www.voxengo.com/temp/CrunchDrums.wav
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Yes, the blockfish example did turn out rather good. I used the Opto setting, tweaked the release to be really slow and had the lo-cut sidechain filter on too at about 12'o clock in the backpanel.

It goes to show how good freeware can be and the Fishfillet plugins are all of very high quality.

Aleksey, that kind of 'flat' drumsound is not exactly my cup of tea. I like each hit to have a smooth transient coming through first. I'm a big fan of SSL compression sound (think Nirvana's Nevermind drums, snappy and punchy). However, it does sound good on this clip. Could work very well in a different kind of mix than the one these drums eventually ended up in.

- bManic
Last edited by bmanic on Wed Sep 14, 2005 10:09 pm, edited 1 time in total.

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I decided to also play a bit:

GCO-1 in opto mode pushed hard (~12db of steady reduction)

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Sounds good jens :)

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