confessions of a serial cubase user

[Lunch Money]

I'll check it again, headquest. I have to admit, I AM approaching it with a bias-- I'm expecting it to add no 'different' functionality for someone who records songs in a linear fashion. As such, it wouldn't be worth the $400. But, I'm just confessing my bias and haven't tried it out again recently, so I think I SHALL before I pass judgement on it again. This'll be the last time I do so without trying the most recent demo again.

[seamoss]

thanks for the info headquest




I soon as I get off work I will try what you said.



looking forward to explore the app some more.

[headquest]

I'll check it again, headquest. I have to admit, I AM approaching it with a bias-- I'm expecting it to add no 'different' functionality for someone who records songs in a linear fashion. As such, it wouldn't be worth the $400.

One example where I think Ableton has the edge in terms of audio recording:

Suppose you record a rock song that ends with a bit of a flourish... a drum roll and a final crash! Now say the bass player's final note is not quite in time with the crash...

In most sequencers you would probably chop the bass note and move it into time, hoping that there are no artefacts, loss of ambience, etc in the process.

In Live 5 you can simply add a "warp marker" to the audio clip and move it into time. It takes a matter of seconds and works perfectly!

This is the sort of thing that imho makes Ableton Live such a great piece of software for audio recording... and indeed any music production.

[Lunch Money]

I could see how that would be useful. I DO move the note just as you suggest, but it's worked cool for me so far. I wouldn't say "no" to a warp function, though.

Greg

[pepelogu]

I've been using Cubase since version 1.0 on the Atari ST and think i know it pretty much inside out. But it has taken time... although Cubase always seemed logical to me there are so many functions to learn and new ones comes up all the time.

And now you want me to scrap 20 years of collected knowledge and start all over?

He... no way.

If i was to learn another app it would be Logic because i want to get my hands on their stunning plugs. And it seems to work similar to Cubase also.

[headquest]

And now you want me to scrap 20 years of collected knowledge and start all over?

That's a good point, and one I often hear when talking to schools/teachers about moving onto a more contemporary sequencer approach.

Nobody is asking you to do anything, of course, and Cubase is indeed a very powerful application. However:

* The fact that it can take ordinary users literally years to master says a lot to me about how inefficient much of Cubase's layout and workflow/ergonomics are.

* Ableton Live would not even take 20 days to master, let alone 20 years! You'll get started in 20 minutes! Set aside a day and you'll be steaming through its features .

Before you know it, you may well wonder why you put up with overwrought and unecessarily complex software for so long!

There's no need to spend another 20 years stuggling with something if it doesn't ignite the creative spark for you! And of course if Cubase does, good for you dude!

[A3ntar]

Can Ableton do everything Cubase does? If not, what can it not do?

Thanks.

[seamoss]

Can Ableton do everything Cubase does? If not, what can it not do?

Thanks.

good question.


headquest, what would a person lose going from Cubase to Ableton?

[Josmoker]

One example where I think Ableton has the edge in terms of audio recording:

Suppose you record a rock song that ends with a bit of a flourish... a drum roll and a final crash! Now say the bass player's final note is not quite in time with the crash...

In most sequencers you would probably chop the bass note and move it into time, hoping that there are no artefacts, loss of ambience, etc in the process.

In Live 5 you can simply add a "warp marker" to the audio clip and move it into time. It takes a matter of seconds and works perfectly!

I think you can work the same way in Cubase now - just got sl3.1, though, so I'm not 100% sure.
Can anyone confirm?

Cheers, Jo

[original flipper]

HI

While we are talking about Live - is there a key command to open the Piano-roll to full size?

Flipper.

[Lunch Money]

Jo, Cubase has a warp audio function now. I've not used it since I'm not a Cubase owner and there's no demo of it, but I imagine it'll do the same thing.

[pepelogu]

And now you want me to scrap 20 years of collected knowledge and start all over?

That's a good point, and one I often hear when talking to schools/teachers about moving onto a more contemporary sequencer approach.

Nobody is asking you to do anything, of course, and Cubase is indeed a very powerful application. However:

* The fact that it can take ordinary users literally years to master says a lot to me about how inefficient much of Cubase's layout and workflow/ergonomics are.

* Ableton Live would not even take 20 days to master, let alone 20 years! You'll get started in 20 minutes! Set aside a day and you'll be steaming through its features .

Before you know it, you may well wonder why you put up with overwrought and unecessarily complex software for so long!

There's no need to spend another 20 years stuggling with something if it doesn't ignite the creative spark for you! And of course if Cubase does, good for you dude!

Just to make things clear, i WAS actually making music within about an hour after installing cubase for the first time, everything works completely natural for me. However it will take years to learn how all plugs work, what can be achieved and not.

If i know the essentials of a program in 20 minutes it will probably be fantastically fun for a while and then i will get bored with it and never use it again, like Reason, Orion, Floops etc.

Edit: Btw, i have tried Live4. Sat with it for about an hour, didn't understand anything exept to press play and listen to the funky demo-tune. Nothing about it made me want to twiggle with it.

Edit again: Hehe... i guess i just succeeded in pi**ing off 95% of all KVR:ians...

[saturdaysaint]

I hate to be one of those people that points out one missing feature in an incredibly complex program and whines about it incessantly (see half of the Sonar thread), but as someone that mostly plays and comps live audio far more than looping, track lanes/layers and folders are pretty integral to my workflow now, so I only use Live for some composition and looping. That said, it is pretty cool/revolutionary and I will definitely keep on eye on future versions.

[dgkenney]

Edit: Btw, i have tried Live4. Sat with it for about an hour, didn't understand anything exept to press play and listen to the funky demo-tune.

Well at least you made an informed decision


Dan

[dgkenney]

but as someone that mostly plays and comps live audio far more than looping, track lanes/layers and folders are pretty integral to my workflow now,

You are correct about the folders. I wish Live had that too but more based on real estate management than anything else.

As for lanes/layers - unless I am misundestanding your meaning - Live can accomplish these in its implementation of looped clip recording.

Dan