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Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 5:31 pm

fritzman wrote:...It does not sound as good as Antares Duo and it doesn't even mimic all of it's functionality so how can it be an Antares clone?

In the end your plugin is a chorus with a random LFO plus a short delay with a feedback knob which you call Vocal timbre.

Sorry Fritz, not at all...
Some hear a Vocoder, you a Chorus...
Delay sure was right.

fritzman wrote: Do you wanna know why I'm so upset? Because I hate it when people fake stuff and then have a big mouth full of wannabe marketing.

You dont know how the story started, dont you ?
Read in:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=60

How can anyone compare my already 1 year in development amp VST,
with a fun-plug I did in maybe 2 - 2.5 hours ?
This completly escapes me...

Only Lunch Money and Alouf seam to get my point.

@Jaeson Merrill
Well spoted with the vibrato.

Ok, I will add a input controled vibrato speed.

Pitch and timing ARE random, but sure I can make them
act more randomly.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:08 pm

My first question is why is that your business Hink?! It is his project and his time, he can do whatever he wants! It seems to me that your only pissed because you actually paid 699$ for a useless suite that someone duplicated one of it's main components in under a day.

that is all absurd...first I'm not rich...but I did have a stroke of luck last week that landed a lot of money in my lap...so why would I be angry about the price? If you knew what you were talking about you might understand, that is not a main feature of the suite and I guess you have no clue to the quality of Antares Auto-tune 4. (Cakewalk and Roland sure do though) He cloned one small part of a bundle, a bundle which consists of many other things I will use. So I'll get his cheapy one instead of all the others?

...

why is it my business? You didn't really ask that did you? If I am considering a purchase from a developer his attitude about things isn't my business? God I'm glad you don't shop in the music stores I have worked in. I was always was honest but many salesmen will sell you hype...I don't buy into hype.

BTW so you know in the 34 years I have been playing guitar I have never paid more then 500 bux for a guitar, in fact the most expesive was a used Kramer for 400 bux..money isn't an issue no matter which side of the coin I'm on...the quality of the company and how it treats it's customers and future customers is important...I trust Antares, I don't know midiworks...

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:12 pm

How can anyone compare my already 1 year in development amp VST,
with a fun-plug I did in maybe 2 - 2.5 hours ?

OMG you're kidding right? You compared your fun plug in with one that was in development for a long time, but if someone does the same to you it's wrong?...again thank you for this thread, it shows your hypocrisy very clear.

BTW I wouldn't have responded if you didn't add the

...that's the part that lost me, that was quite unprofessional.

Alouf · Post by **Alouf** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:22 pm

why is it my business? You didn't really ask that did you? If I am considering a purchase from a developer his attitude about things isn't my business?

What attitude are you talking about?! The only attitude and bad vibes I am getting from this thread is yours. The way I see it is that MidiWorks is proud of his work, and there is no shame in it. After I demoed the aVox suite and especially the doubler plugin, I find the DuosX much better price/quality wise. Why is that so hard for you to accept?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:25 pm

Alouf wrote:
why is it my business? You didn't really ask that did you? If I am considering a purchase from a developer his attitude about things isn't my business?
What attitude are you talking about?! The only attitude and bad vibes I am getting from this thread is yours. The way I see it is that MidiWorks is proud of his work, and there is no shame in it. After I demoed the aVox suite and especially the doubler plugin, I find the DuosX much better price/quality wise. Why is that so hard for you to accept?

see my post above yours to him...

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:28 pm

Hi Midiworks,

Midiworks wrote:
fritzman wrote:...It does not sound as good as Antares Duo and it doesn't even mimic all of it's functionality so how can it be an Antares clone?

In the end your plugin is a chorus with a random LFO plus a short delay with a feedback knob which you call Vocal timbre.
Sorry Fritz, not at all...
Some hear a Vocoder, you a Chorus...
Delay sure was right.

OK, the chorus bit was not precise. What I meant is that I hear a modulated delay. That's it what is normally called a chorus FX. I meant that I heard a randomly modulated delay.

Midiworks wrote:
fritzman wrote: Do you wanna know why I'm so upset? Because I hate it when people fake stuff and then have a big mouth full of wannabe marketing.
You dont know how the story started, dont you ?
Read in:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... c&start=60

No, I didn't know that and I don't care. I tested your plugin, it's very buggy, the "voice timbre" doesn't even sound remotely like the one in the Antares plugin while you wrote in the above meantioned thread:

Midiworks wrote:Right, but so similar, that you can not say what is what anymore...

This is simply rediculous. Everybody who tells me that it sounds similar please turn the voice timbre fader on the Antares plugin either full up or full down and then say again that it sounds the same. If someone did this and still says that both do sound indistinguishable I won't take this person serious anymore according to anything concerned sound and sound processing. I then recommend a serious ear check from the doctor.

Midiworks wrote:How can anyone compare my already 1 year in development amp VST,
with a fun-plug I did in maybe 2 - 2.5 hours ?
This completly escapes me...

I didn't do that and I don't care who does so. What I do on the other hand is to check what you say and see if all your full mouthed claims are real. This is normal. You make people expect something and people check out if it's true what you're saying. In this case you miserably failed, sorry.

Best wishes, FRitz

dekky · Post by **dekky** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 6:50 pm

tried them both... didnt like neither ...

even tho i have to give midiworks props for is speed and his sense of humour

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:03 pm

dekky wrote:tried them both... didnt like neither ... even tho i have to give midiworks props for is speed and his sense of humour

Hi dekky,

Sense of humor? Do you mean this was all a joke? Then it's a poor one. If it would be a freeware plugin I would laugh now but he wants a donation of at least 10 somethings for this buggy plugin. That's not appropriate for such a joke me thinks.

Best wishes, FRitz

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:15 pm

Thanks dekky !

Midiworks wrote: No crackles, no strange phase shifting like the other product.

2.3 - 5% CPU
instead of the
9.4 -15% CPU
of the original.

Vocal Timbre, does not have the "Typ selector",
I would prefer a knob instead of fixed values.
What do you think ?

Did nobody read this ?

It seams not...

Nobody said anything...

So turn that fader down for the moment.

And please stop shouting now ok !?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:22 pm

Midiworks wrote:Thanks dekky !

Midiworks wrote: No crackles, no strange phase shifting like the original AVOX DUO.

2.3 - 5% CPU
instead of the
9.4 -15% CPU
of the original.

Vocal Timbre, does not have the "Typ selector",
I would prefer a knob instead of fixed values.
What do you think ?
Did nobody read this ?

It seams not...
Nobody said anything...

So turn that fader down for the moment.

And please stop shouting now ok !?

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:41 pm

Midiworks wrote:Thanks dekky !

Midiworks wrote: No crackles, no strange phase shifting like the original AVOX DUO.

2.3 - 5% CPU
instead of the
9.4 -15% CPU
of the original.

Vocal Timbre, does not have the "Typ selector",
I would prefer a knob instead of fixed values.
What do you think ?
Did nobody read this ?

It seams not...
Nobody said anything...

So turn that fader down for the moment.

And please stop shouting now ok !?

Hi Midiworks,

on the Antares plugin there is a "voice timbre" fader and a "Type selector". As you wrote, you don't have a type selector switch, yet. Why should I think then that your poor voice timbre fader implementantion is not intended to sound that poor? Your plugin was told to be a clone. So I expected YOUR "voice timbre" fader to work correctly. Now you say that your plugin is not ready yet? But you're already selling it, right? And you're already claiming that it is as good or better then the "original", right? Indistinguishable? Man, get real ...

Best wishes, FRitz

Midiworks · Post by **Midiworks** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 7:53 pm

Just think a bit further...

Nothing else to do the both of you ?

Hypertone · Post by **Hypertone** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:36 pm

Damn you know people are spoiled when somebody releases a free plug and people attack him.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:42 pm

Hypertone wrote:Damn you know people are spoiled when somebody releases a free plug and people attack him.

Midiworks wrote:I uploaded a 3 day full working demo.
http://www.geocities.com/midiworks2/DuosX.zip
http://www.soundspectral.com/DuosX.zip

DuosX will be a "Minimal Donation Ware"
for a minimum of 10 Euro. Very Happy

Go and A/B DuosX with the original ! Wink

No Pace, no ilok, just a simple serial number.

You were not talking about this plugin, don't you?

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Sat Sep 17, 2005 8:45 pm

Midiworks wrote:Just think a bit further...

Nothing else to do the both of you ?

Sorry,

I was a little bored. So I dared to take up your challenge to compare. Won't do it next time, OK? Thinking a little further ...

Have a nice day, FRitz

DuosX VST Voice Doubler