Pro Tools 7

[Mr. Tunes]

Well, I don`t know anything about magic and other mythical things, but I do believe that in recent years many other hosts have caught up (and to an extent surpassed) audio editing in the PT environment (witch, don't get me wrong, *is* good).

Could you please elaborate in what ways is the audio editing suite in PT superior to other editing platforms?

well, yeah i dont really have so many reasons to keep defending pro tools, for one we can't compare pro tools LE to Nuendo. that's not fair at all. basically I can do really fine audio edits very fast, and i'm mainly referring to some film stuff that i've done. and then when the edits were done i was able to take those into 5.1 tdm mix rooms and better yet a theatre. eventually nuendo will catch up and yeah i'll have to learn that program if i want to mix in a high quality facility.

this is now into the mix discussion but the internal bussing scheme in pro tools is phenomenal. if they work out all their issues regarding multi-output RTAS instruments, in theory i will be able to create bounces of every instrument group in ONE PASS! that will be just as good as a freeze function IMO.

and yeah it is great that other programs are catching up in audio editing but i cant do what i do in pro tools, 'as fast' in other programs. the bottom line for me here is that yeah i want to get my hands on pro tools 7, and i'm sure that many people dont care for it or PT in general, but boo hoo.

[Nev]

I really hoped a little more for PT7

1.bounce in realtime AND non realtime
2.freeze track
3.Real PDC ... because now we have one that a lot of people are not aware of: "Pro Tools LE DOES compensate for host-based plug-ins using the CPU for processing by way of the HW buffer"
So this stripped down version of PDC work up to HW buffer time and don't work for external hardware.
4.maybe up to 48 tracks
5.maybe surround
6.maybe copy to send


For PT7 i hoped more to get one of our most request ...


Anyway i'm glad with what i have now and will nevertheless upgrade to PT7 (and continue to whine and wait until we have all TDM features ... )

Bounce Non-Realtime, please please please

It would be a winner here, as we could even argue that the upgrade would save the company money.
After all time = money.

Nev

[Mr. Tunes]

Bounce Non-Realtime, please please please

It would be a winner here, as we could even argue that the upgrade would save the company money.
After all time = money.

Nev

my problem with the Real-Time bounce is I dont think it even sets the in/out points as well as other bounces do(which is especially critical on rendering loops of course). that's the irony for me is that it takes forever to bounce and sometimes it's still screwed. BUT, some pros have said that the PT bounce has the highest sonic quality out there.

[Midi_Glider]

well, yeah i dont really have so many reasons to keep defending pro tools, for one we can't compare pro tools LE to Nuendo. that's not fair at all.

Well perhaps not fair as a *package* comparison, but isn`t the editing capabilities of LE nearly identical to the ones found in the fully blown PT version? a similar relation could be made in regards to the editing capabilities in cubase as oppose to Nuendo.

this is now into the mix discussion but the internal bussing scheme in pro tools is phenomenal.

agreed. this part of PT is truly superb.

i cant do what i do in pro tools, 'as fast' in other programs.

Well, fair enough. I guess what you are used to would usually get you there the fastest. can`t argue with that. but I still don`t think there is any objective reason to assume that some of the other leading hosts out there are inferior to PT in that respect.

BUT, some pros have said that the PT bounce has the highest sonic quality out there.

That is simply not true.

Best,
midi.

[koolkeys]

Nuendo is, in "pro studios", a distant second right now. I don't see why it won't pick up over time as it gets better. We'll be the ones to benefit though as the competition heats up!

I personally don't see anything in Nuendo in the audio editing that I can't do in PT. not saying that there's nothing better, I just don't use Nuendo often enough. Last time I used it it was for a tape machine on a Neve V3 series console, so it didn't get much use. As for the zooming, I believe the features are about the same. I would like to see dive zooming like in Nuendo. That's one thing that I think is cool. But PT can do the same thing, but you just have to click for each level instead of holding down the mouse button. It's fun to play with the dive zoom!

Koolkeys

[koolkeys]

As for sonic quality, I don't know that there is any difference. Some of the pros who say PT is better may also be running through their Digi hardware also, and different converters. So it's purely subjective. I think they are both the best really, and VERY hard to see any difference. But then again, I've seen some engineers notice some truly hidden things. Maybe they were playing with my head!

Koolkeys

[Mr. Tunes]

Well perhaps not fair as a *package* comparison, but isn`t the editing capabilities of LE nearly identical to the ones found in the fully blown PT version? a similar relation could be made in regards to the editing capabilities in cubase as oppose to Nuendo.

yep you're right on that. TDM just adds in a few editing bells and wistles related to object selection and grabbing. as well as automation copying (the three finger salute)

don't get me wrong. Nuendo is actually more promising to me. I think it'd be better to be using that program since you can set up your studio for much less money, enjoy the benefits of surround and not get gauged everytime you want to add in features to use OMF files. god i must sound like a fence sitter but that's part of having a great discussion is admitting defeat sometimes.

for the time being though, i have this pro tools certification (for version 6 that is, so in a few weeks i'm not so certified), and i got the opportunity to enjoy that host and see why it does some things amazingly compared to others. another cool thing is that one of my friends got to track some songs at a top studio in toronto, if i didnt have pro tools i'd have no way of getting at his sessions for remixes. my mbox was worth it and i'll upgrade to 7 when it comes out

and i also didnt really agree about the highest quality bounce (i can barely hear what people around me are saying let alone sound quality), but i believe that most movies you see in theatres or those shiny big record label cds were bounced out of pro tools. i dont know if that means anything of course

[Mr. Tunes]

sorry it was never clarified... the official pro tools 7 update press release never mentioned much at all, and this was posted on the digi forum. keep in mind i dont know the exact source of this and what's true and what isnt. sorry for not sharing this earlier in the discussion.

MIDI
· New Instrument Tracks combine MIDI and audio capabilities in a
single channel strip, simplifying routing for virtual instruments and
MIDI sound modules
· Real-time MIDI processing enables users to control MIDI
quantization, note duration and velocity, transposition, and timing in
real time

· Enhanced groove quantization features, including the ability to
apply groove template quantization across multiple tracks, add
randomization to further humanize the feel of a groove, and apply
groove template quantization to incoming MIDI signals


Audio
· New Region Groups allow grouping of any combination of audio and
MIDI regions, across any number of tracks
· New Region Looping feature offers an easy way to repeat one or
more audio regions, MIDI regions, and Region Groups, speeding up
composing and arranging
· Support for REX and ACID audio files—the two most popular audio
formats for loops and samples

Power & Mixing

· Improved host processing efficiency on dual-core and single- and
multi-processor computers allows users to run more RTAS processing and
instrument plug-ins simultaneously (We shall see what Digis definition of "Improved" means )

· Support for up to 10 sends per track increases mixing
flexibility and allows larger, more complex mixing architectures
· Support for RTAS plug-ins on Aux Inputs and Master Faders on Pro
Tools|HD systems, providing greater mixing options and improving
session transferability between Pro Tools|HD and Pro Tools LE/Pro Tools
M-Powered systems

Ease of Use
· Reorganized Pro Tools menu structure offers streamlined and more
logical menu navigation (key commands remain the same)
· New Tool Tips feature adds “rollover” descriptions of objects in
the Pro Tools software interface
· Support for dragging and dropping audio, MIDI, REX, and ACID
files from the desktop to the timeline

Unique Hardware Options
· Support for five additional M-Audio® peripherals with Pro Tools
M-Powered software, including: Black Box, Ozone®, Mobile Pre USB,
FastTrack™ USB, Transit®.

[CultureOfGreed]

Whats this upgrade going to cost?

[whyterabbyt]

Whats this upgrade going to cost?

[dramsenik]

Whats this upgrade going to cost?

i bet 75$

who said better?

[dramsenik]

at least we get 10 sends, that feature was part of many wishlist over on the DUC.

And i'm really curious about the better host processing improvments: we'll see...

also this list is not a complete one: Digi will give more info at the release date...but these features should be the top ones.
make me wonder if we can steal more info somewhere before the 7 oct ?

[Mr. Tunes]

whyterabbyt you are absolutely hilarious

[dramsenik]

hockey or chess ?

[hello1234]

Why does having the MIDI on the same screen have to happen for it to be good? It's a matter of how you work. Yeah, some people prefer the key editor, but many, including myself, like the one screen approach. It doesn't have to be like all the other sequencers, many of which are adding the one screen approach to MIDI.

Also, PTLE DOES NOT have a track limit. It has a VOICE limit. And it only applies to audio. You can have as many MIDI tracks as you want. And with the audio, you can have up to 32 voices playing, with more tracks than that. Plus, you can automate the tracks so that you can change which voices are playing, so you can cut voices when they aren't playing.

Yes, it's still a limitation, but it's a misunderstood one.

Koolkeys

Agreed

Also, is there any computer host of any kind that will physically allow more than 32 audio tracks at the same time?

Yes, but not without multi drives and a monster system......and then you are still straining........