Yet more censorship at NSS

[Failed Muso]

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/sho ... ge=1&pp=10

This thread started recently, and on page 3, a post was made by Steve @ Hollow Sun, making a valid point about some of the good bits and bad bits of NSS. There was no rudeness, no false accusations, no bad blood, just a statement of fact that many of us agree with.

Lo & behold it has been deleted and I believe Steve has had his posting wings clipped over there.

I have posted my opinion on page 4 of the thread, which will no doubt result in it being deleted and me being banned.

Therefore, here is my post in full so it will remain for all to see on this more sensible forum...

Hey Steve,

I'm glad you said those things. I agree that this is a troubling issue. It has been sad to see other altruistic and generous small developers scolded for sharing their ideas and works in progress.

No place is perfect. But I also wish there were more flexiblity in this regard and am very glad you are here talking about your stuff.

Thank you for that vote of confidence Rob - much appreciated.

Here is a prime example of what I was talking about. I read this thread today, after being in hospital over night and thought the drugs might still be working because I could not for the life of me see the post that rob morsberger was referring to and what exactly Steve was thanking him for.

Upon investigation, it appears Steve's post has been pulled.

Why ? Because certain administrators believe rules were broken. What rules ? Those to do with funding, advertising and sponsorship. Seems like, if you pay money, you get the favours, break the rules and screw the rest. Sounds very "Republican Neo-Con" to me. The haves and the have mores !

No doubt this post (however long it stays up) will get me chastised, banned or reprimanded in some fashion (unless I write a cheque or transfer some funds, or change my name to Garritan).

Forum's, by definition, are places where ideas and information is imparted and exchanged. A level of moderation is necessary, but not censorship of factually based opinion. And if it's a rule of this forum, that rule is wrong and goes against the basic principles of democracy and freedom of speech.

I guess this is goodbye

I find this sad.

[kevvvvv]

Forums that put straight jackets around their members quickly start to fail.

If NSS are buggering it up with censorship, then just watch - they'll shrink or go down the tubes.

As phz says, and I agree with him, at KvR we're moderate-ors.

btw does NSS have any competitor sites of a similar high quality?

[whyterabbyt]

btw does NSS have any competitor sites of a similar high quality?

I believe Fitch posted a link to somewhere a while back...

[Armadillo]

Forums that put straight jackets around their members quickly start to fail.

If NSS are buggering it up with censorship, then just watch - they'll shrink or go down the tubes.

As phz says, and I agree with him, at KvR we're moderate-ors.

btw does NSS have any competitor sites of a similar high quality?

Not a direct competitor as they are certainly not nearly as big but http://www.vi-control.net/forum/forum.php have been made by NSS outcast and is slowly growing. No one has been banned there yet AFAIK.

[John Vulich]

Forums that put straight jackets around their members quickly start to fail.

You mean like the profanity censorship going on here? Or banning members like Sicklecell666?

[Cryogenic]

Oh boo hoo.
Who said every forum on the net should be like you wish?
The forum admins can do what ever they like.

And there's always two side to the story/banning.

And those of you crying about freedom of speech. Do you really know what "freedom of speech" is? I doubt that, since you're crying it out.

[Failed Muso]

Forums that put straight jackets around their members quickly start to fail.

You mean like the profanity censorship going on here? Or banning members like Sicklecell666?

Profanity censorship is reasonable, especially in a public forum that has no age restrictions, as is unfounded, inaccurate allegations or lies that could be considered slanderous, IMHO, but to be censored because of your factually based opinion or because you don't fund the host site is plain wrong.

I am unaware of any issue with SickleCell666, therefore cannot comment on that.

NSS, to me anyway, seems to be the home of a band of "select" people/organisations who, in the main, look after themselves and use NSS as a shop window. Anyone else doesn't get a look in. The only major contributor to NSS that bucks this trend is the extremely pleasant and much loved Francis at Bela D (and the rest of the Bela D gang), who, in my opinion, is one of the good guys

It would seem that other people behind NSS can promote their wares for free elsewhere, but they do not allow it on their forum.

You know who you are.

[Failed Muso]

Oh boo hoo.
Who said every forum on the net should be like you wish?
The forum admins can do what ever they like.

And there's always two side to the story/banning.

And those of you crying about freedom of speech. Do you really know what "freedom of speech" is? I doubt that, since you're crying it out.

Ah, you can't beat a worthwhile post like that !

I know both sides to the story on this one and it sucks.

True, the admins can do whatever they like, but it doesn't make it the right thing to do.

And as for Freedom Of Speech, I do know what it is, and I'm enjoying it right now

[Cryogenic]

I know both sides to the story on this one and it sucks.

So enlighten us. The moderator at NSS made his view very clear.

And as for Freedom Of Speech....

I'm enjoying it right now

Uh, no.

[Amberience]

The forum admins can do what ever they like.

Is it reasonable to assume that your opinion on this translates into everyday politics too? Oh screw Rodney King, the police can do whatever they like. Oh screw those millions of Jewish people, Hitler can do whatever he likes. Oh screw all those dead Iraqi's.... Bush can do whatever he likes.

Leadership is a priviledge, not a RIGHT.

[Failed Muso]

I know both sides to the story on this one and it sucks.

So enlighten us. The moderator at NSS made his view very clear.

And as for Freedom Of Speech....

I'm enjoying it right now

Uh, no.

Steve placed ONE, just ONE post on NSS plugging the glowing SOS review his CD's just got. For that he was banned because he doesn't pay for a banner ad at NSS and therefore is not allowed to post any form of "promotional" threads.

Go on, enlighten me on FOS, I need a good laugh.

On the other hand, save your breath

[snooky]

c**nty bastards they are then?

[Markleford]

Oh screw those millions of Jewish people, Hitler can do whatever he likes.

We're still on the first page and you *already* trotted out Hitler for a straw-man argument?!?!?

You know the big difference here? Forum admins can be facists if they want, yet forum readers have a choice of where to go. Nobody is forcing anybody to stay.

Go on, enlighten me on FOS, I need a good laugh.

First you have to get over the notion that forums are a democracy. At best, they're benevolent dictatorships.

- m

[Failed Muso]

c**nty bastards they are then?

[Amberience]

Oh screw those millions of Jewish people, Hitler can do whatever he likes.

We're still on the first page and you *already* trotted out Hitler for a straw-man argument?!?!?

You know the big difference here? Forum admins can be facists if they want, yet forum readers have a choice of where to go. Nobody is forcing anybody to stay.

Hey, I'm just pointing out the absurdity of his comment. Like admins have a right to do whatever the f**k they like. THEY DON'T.