So, what are the upcoming SR drums/loops like?

[rockin1]

Sounds like great stuff Squids! Did you mention something about a free demo disc? One for me please!

Will this be available in REX format? It sounds perfect for use with RMX...

[hao nao]

it does sound great, and considering that I appeared to pull the string so much better than telebunke ...

j/k, sequence does not prove causality

but as the referrer for the next purchase or two, I hope that telebunke and others will name some young, modest and deserving musicians ... in return, I hope that those will pass along the favor somehow later on in life ...

[Bassballjg]

So, I was right about the loops being multitrack.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=675

Sometimes, you just get lucky. Now what's my prize?

[kovacs]

Well, let's see... If you like rockin' funky swing struttin' soulful old school jazzy bad-ass beats played by incredible players (including some that have played with Prince, Lauren Hill, P Diddy, Cameo, Sarah McGlaughlin, Paul McCartney, Steely Dan, Yes, Peter Gabriel, King Crimson, Genesis, Tears For Fears, Pat Metheny Group, Sting, Chick Corea, David Byrne, Herbie Hancock, Al Di Meola, Mike Stern, Blues Brothers, Brian Setzer Orchestra and more)... well, then maybe this is for you! Very Happy

Ouch. Sounds like me growing up, that.

[rockin1]

So, I was right about the loops being multitrack.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=675

Sometimes, you just get lucky. Now what's my prize?

RMX would have no trouble with multitrack loops. It has 8 channels so we just need one REX file per track and can use up to 8 tracks in one instance. It would be great to work this way!

[Squids]

So, I was right about the loops being multitrack.

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... &start=675

Sometimes, you just get lucky. Now what's my prize?

RMX would have no trouble with multitrack loops. It has 8 channels so we just need one REX file per track and can use up to 8 tracks in one instance. It would be great to work this way!

Can it handle 22 tracks?

[Hewitt Huntwork]

Can it handle 22 tracks?

I'd open 3 instances.

[rockin1]

Can it handle 22 tracks?

With 3 instances it wouldn't be a problem! You might not be able to run anything else on that box without freezing though!

[Squids]

The John Blackwell sessions we did were 22 tracks but I don't think we're going to release all of them. A bit overkill. Mic options galore! But, maybe 16-18 mic options. If we do REX then I am sure you CAN use it in RMX (you don't have to use all of the mic options either).

Okay, I'll let a little more cats out of bags here. I mean you'll know the full skinny in less than a week anyway. They are ProTools and OMF multi-track loop libraries. Each one is rather large in size since they have a ton of useful material done multi-track 24 bit at 48K. We're thinking about releasing them in REX as well but there are some challenges doing multi-track REX files. Since direct mics happen sooner than your overhead and room mics ideally if you want the slices to line up between the tracks they should have the same start point relative to the earliest hit which would be the direct mics. So, to do that you'd have to apply your direct mic track's REX markers to the other tracks (with their appropriate latency). Currently Recycle can't do that (know anything that does and authors REX?). We'll figure out a way even if we have to have some custom software written to do it (you know we do that all the time btw, that's how we are able to do some of the things we do).

Of course, another option is to have each mic start with the same latency which would line up your direct, overhead and room mics to hit at the same time. Then each file can be rexed on its own. I've heard some people line up multi-tracks this way for a tighter sound. I am not sure what that means in terms of phase relationships though. It wouldn't be my first choice unless after hearing it I was convinced. I am more of a purist but I am open-minded too.

So, now that this has become a topic of discussion, what do you think?

[telebunke]

I appeared to pull the string so much better than telebunke ...
but as the referrer for the next purchase or two, I hope that telebunke and others will name some young, modest and deserving musicians ...

some extra points for him for pulling the string nicely

let me see, I got some epointz on my account. Squids, could you please trans fer $5 in epointz from my account to him?

tele

[Squids]

Anyone thought about what I said about multi-track rex files? Do you know what I am talking about? There is a natural delay between the direct and the overheads and room mics (we're talking ms but it is the time the sound of the hit reaches the mic). So, it kind of makes multi-track rex a challenge. Any thoughts?

[Bassballjg]

Anyone thought about what I said about multi-track rex files? Do you know what I am talking about? There is a natural delay between the direct and the overheads and room mics (we're talking ms but it is the time the sound of the hit reaches the mic). So, it kind of makes multi-track rex a challenge. Any thoughts?

I haven't really put much time into thinking about this, but it's something I may need to do myself for a future project, so I have considered it some.

If the issue is the first marker and not the alignment of all markers, then if you have edited the submixes to the same length from the same start, then you would just need to place the marker manually at the top of the file, so the loop starts there where the hit is on the close mic tracks while the hit itself is still delayed those few miliseconds. Or am I not getting it?

If there are no phase issues between the close and ambient mics when set to the same start time, then the solution you mention in your final paragraph of the previous post could work. The ability to save something like a marker template preset and impose it on another file would be a wonderful addition to ReCycle, not just for this sort of thing but for when you may have 3-4 variations on the same beat edited from a single performance into loops, and also to do things "wrong" in a creative way.

It is also arguable that the rex version would be more likely to be used for creative mangling so the direct sounds would be of more value and the ambient tracks less so. In any case, there may be a reason there isn't much, if any, multitrack rex, multitrack of one drum kit that is, on the market, and this is likely it.

If I have some time, I'll go back to the multitracks of the Dangerous Drums loops and make submixes of the close miced tracks and the room mics, where used, and try some experiments.

If I think of anything, I'll let you know, if you find a solution, let us know.

[rockin1]

Anyone thought about what I said about multi-track rex files? Do you know what I am talking about? There is a natural delay between the direct and the overheads and room mics (we're talking ms but it is the time the sound of the hit reaches the mic). So, it kind of makes multi-track rex a challenge. Any thoughts?

I think what I would do is to put leading silence in the room mic slices so that the start of the slices lines up with the start of the close miced slices. Doing this might create some overlap between the tail of one slice and the leading silence of another, but I don't think that would be a problem...

[Squids]

John, that is what I am talking about. What we want to do is just apply the markers of the first file with the directs to the overheads and room files. You can do that in Wavelab and other editors but I don't think it can be done in Recycle (of course I know the Props well and can always just resort to begging! ). But, we're going to do multi-track REX (if anything but for the simple reason that there isn't much if any multitrack rex material on the market). So, we'll find a way. Although if anyone has any ideas (this IS KVR) let me know. Maybe there is something that authors rex (besides Recycle) that can "apply the markers" to another file of the same size and export it as rex. Does it exist or do we have to have custom software made to do it? That's probably what we'll do if we can't find something that already exists. Recycle really should be able to do that though (also for the other reason you mentioned).

[Bassballjg]

John, that is what I am talking about. What we want to do is just apply the markers of the first file with the directs to the overheads and room files. You can do that in Wavelab and other editors but I don't think it can be done in Recycle (of course I know the Props well and can always just resort to begging! ). But, we're going to do multi-track REX (if anything but for the simple reason that there isn't much if any multitrack rex material on the market). So, we'll find a way. Although if anyone has any ideas (this IS KVR) let me know. Maybe there is something that authors rex (besides Recycle) that can "apply the markers" to another file of the same size and export it as rex. Does it exist or do we have to have custom software made to do it? That's probably what we'll do if we can't find something that already exists. Recycle really should be able to do that though (also for the other reason you mentioned).

So what's really at question here in the first instance is will ReCycle allow you to place a marker ahead of the onset of sound, and in the second how to create or obtain some software solution to impose the markers of one file on another. If the answer to one is no, and that's easy to find out, then that leaves the second, and that is something that you can do, have something cocded to do it. That would be better than aligning the multitrack to get the ambience mics to start at the same time as the close mics for the aforementioned phase issues. You will need to work with the Props on that one from a legal aspect, however, since rex is free to impliment import, but they retain a monopoly on rex creation and export through ReCycle.