KVR Audio

Scotrick · Post by **Scotrick** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:13 am

I love Cubase, but something is definitely whacked on some users systems, mine being one of them...
my Cubase rescans the plug-ins every freaking time I load it, and no, I haven't added any new ones..

judging from the forums though, it only seems to be affecting some of us

ObsoleteAcc99 · Post by **ObsoleteAcc99** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:00 am

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Stairsteps · Post by **Stairsteps** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:06 am

I dont use Cubase anymore but I can tell you it prob can be traced back to having a plug that keeps updating every time you run the system or you have a plug installed improper, thats my best guesstament.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:26 am

Hmmm...I wonder. I'm experiencing some weird, unique behaviour - on more than one computer - with Kontakt 1.5, and several SynthEdit plugins smiply do not work well at all. Has anyone ever had Synthedit plugs cause some kind of conflict/system instability?

(I am willing to acknowledge that I simply have way too many plugins, of course )

birrbits · Post by **birrbits** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:31 am

Half-life 2 takes a while to load...

omg games on my DAW!!!:hihi:

Improv · Post by **Improv** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 6:38 am

bduffy wrote: Good point; I didn't mention that. Cubase SX 2.2

Same here, and on an Athlon XP+ 1600 w. 1Gb ram it takes about 45 seconds for Cubase to check about
200 plugs (approx.)

The plugs are to blame largely,

When did you first notice the slowdown? Try unloading any new plugins that you got just before the slowdown. Move them to another folder. Then see if SX speeds up again. If it does, move the plugs back into the vsti folder one by one. That might help isolate the problem.

Edit:
I just tried something that made a big difference in Cubase loading time. Go to Devices/Plug-in Information. In the 'Shared Plug-Ins Folders'
area, click on Remove so that there are no shared folder paths listed in the drop down menu. Restart SX2, and this should make a big difference in the time it takes to check for plugins. When you start a new project, all the plugs are still listed in the F11 Vst Instruments list.

Instead of a 45 second load time as before, I now get SX2 loading in 26 seconds. Quite an improvement!

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 3:55 pm

Improv wrote:
bduffy wrote: Good point; I didn't mention that. Cubase SX 2.2
Same here, and on an Athlon XP+ 1600 w. 1Gb ram it takes about 45 seconds for Cubase to check about
200 plugs (approx.)

The plugs are to blame largely,
When did you first notice the slowdown? Try unloading any new plugins that you got just before the slowdown. Move them to another folder. Then see if SX speeds up again. If it does, move the plugs back into the vsti folder one by one. That might help isolate the problem.

Edit:
I just tried something that made a big difference in Cubase loading time. Go to Devices/Plug-in Information. In the 'Shared Plug-Ins Folders'
area, click on Remove so that there are no shared folder paths listed in the drop down menu. Restart SX2, and this should make a big difference in the time it takes to check for plugins. When you start a new project, all the plugs are still listed in the F11 Vst Instruments list.

Instead of a 45 second load time as before, I now get SX2 loading in 26 seconds. Quite an improvement!

I'm afraid I couldn't use "No Common VST Folder" as I would have only my stock plugins on relaunch (it was MUCH faster though) - BUT - I did discover that I had "C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VstPlugins" listed twice in Pug-In Information, and now that I only have the one VSTPlugins directory, lauching has sped up to about 10 sec.

As for the weird problems I get, I couldn't really tell you when the problems started. When I got my last computer, I made sure Kontakt was the first VSTi installed on the fresh system, and as soon as I installed v1.5.x, the weird mouse stuff happened. So who knows. I'm just thinking synthedit because some of them have more choppy playback.

Thanks for the good advice, Improv.

Improv · Post by **Improv** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 4:43 pm

bduffy wrote: I'm afraid I couldn't use "No Common VST Folder" as I would have only my stock plugins on relaunch

Have you actually tried this or are you just assuming that would happen? I actually did it and still have access to all plugins.

BUT[/b] - I did discover that I had "C:\Program Files\Steinberg\VstPlugins" listed twice in Pug-In Information, and now that I only have the one VSTPlugins directory, lauching has sped up to about 10 sec.

Hey-at least it's a start!

as soon as I installed v1.5.x, the weird mouse stuff happened. So who knows. I'm just thinking synthedit because some of them have more choppy playback.

It really depends which synthedit plugs and who developed them. I own a few very good plugins that just happen to be developed in synthedit and give absolutely no problems: Algo Music's M42, all the HG Fortune plugs, GreenMachine guitar amp, Krakli plugs such as Yava2, and NeuroSynthPack. People are often to quick to dismiss Synthedit plugs with a blanket condemnation.

Glad my advise helped some, keep trying and let us know what happens.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:03 pm

Improv wrote:Have you actually tried this or are you just assuming that would happen? I actually did it and still have access to all plugins.

Yes, I tried it, and I got only the stock plugins. They're back as soon as I put the path back in...that's odd that it works for you...?

Improv wrote:It really depends which synthedit plugs and who developed them. I own a few very good plugins that just happen to be developed in synthedit and give absolutely no problems: Algo Music's M42, all the HG Fortune plugs, GreenMachine guitar amp, Krakli plugs such as Yava2, and NeuroSynthPack. People are often to quick to dismiss Synthedit plugs with a blanket condemnation.

Oh, I never dismiss a plugin becuase it's Synthedit - it's all in the coding, AFAIK. I've bought Spectralive and Adventus, only learning later that they are Synthedit. And I love some of the cheapest, cheesiest ones. The only reason I'm suspecting anything is becuase of weirdness with some specific plugs that seem fine for most others.

Oh well; tweak and see!

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Wed Oct 05, 2005 5:20 pm

HI

One of the things I miss about ORION is the lightning fast boot-up.

If you have the DLL file at hand then XT is as fast as it get's - I can be playing a synth in under 10 seconds in XT if I (or you!) open it up and drop the DLL file onto the GUI.

I find that Ableton Live can take a good ole while to load up as well - it's generally the plug-in check that most host's do - XT does the same but at a different stage.

Flipper.

TeeLangSun · Post by **TeeLangSun** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 12:47 am

bduffy wrote:OK, I knew some of you would take me to task for complaining about 30 seconds. You might want to open your desktop clocks and stare at the screen for 30 seconds to get a sense for it. I agree it sounds silly (like needing an abbreviation for "at"?), but when you consider that Sonar can load a fully stocked audio engine instantly, that seems more in line with the promise of immediacy of digital technology. And I think we all experience a little agitation when you just want to sit down right away, like with analog gear/instruments, and start banging out a bed - but you have to wait 30 seconds while the splash screen mocks you.

And to be even more clear: my templates don't take long to load at all, just the Audio Engine.

My only experience is with Cubase, Sonar and I've tried Logic 5.5. Wondering how long other apps' GUI's take to open, cos I like it to open FAST. Doesn't seem like to much too ask in 2005. But then again, I'm not switching from Cubase anytime soon.

Oh, and I do have roughly 540 dlls in my VSTplugin folder.

I agree that Cubase takes a long time to open. It's also a lot more resource hungry to get itself open than Sonar and doesn't feel nearly as snappy and crisp as Sonar. Every sequencer seems to be somewhat different in this regard. Some people have mentioned Tracktion. My experience with it was that getting around it's interface was very sluggish, moreso than Cubase. I found myself clicking once, waiting, then clicking again on the tab for the audio settings. It would have popped open eventually from the first click, but that's how sluggish it is. The only application I have that is in the neighborhood of Cubase's resource hunger and slow loading time is Stylus RMX. The latest update has improved the CPU requirements for simply getting it open, but it still eats about 400 Megs of Ram instantly, and it still rivals Cubase with the incredibly long load time.

I still choose Cubase over Sonar though.

bduffy · Post by **bduffy** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:11 pm

Yeah, the Spectrasonics stuff takes a long time to open; something I'm not crazy about. I don't know why it has to take that long to open an empty VSTi...

I was thinking, as I read the many "Host vs Host" threads here, that maybe it depends on when you got in the game. Maybe Cubase's "heaviness" is more acceptable to some of us relative old-timers because we made the slow progression from studios, tape, mixing desks, etc to DAWs and the Young Turks might expect faster, lighter solutions. I don't know. Then again, Cakewalk has been light and snappy since CWPA days, and I'm not that old.

Does anything take as long to open up as Cubase???