KVR Audio

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Sun Oct 09, 2005 11:38 pm

hmrphf, I still don't think that you lot should get yer panties in a twist just becasue it says "vintage" or LA2A or "ABCD" or "1234" on the gui of the plugs...in their OWN right I guess they are marvelous, but they won't turn your consumergrade PC into a recording wonder..that's up to your experience...ya hear that kids!?!

kritikon · Post by **kritikon** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:14 am

hmrphf, I still don't think that you lot should get yer panties in a twist just becasue it says "vintage" or LA2A or "ABCD" or "1234" on the gui of the plugs...in their OWN right I guess they are marvelous, but they won't turn your consumergrade PC into a recording wonder..that's up to your experience...ya hear that kids!?!

All true, but I'd still rather have a decent emulation of an LA2A than a Behringer Composer.

billybk1 · Post by **billybk1** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 12:50 am

You will find that most folks investing, in UAD-1 cards (yes, many of us have more than one)and doing ITB mixng have fairly sophisticated DAW rigs to begin with and are pretty darn picky when it comes to their audio. Just check out the UAD-1 user forum. It's the reason many of us, also spend big money, on professional 24/96 multi-I/O audio cards, A/D converters, high-end control room monitors, control surfaces, quality mic pre's and microphones. The UAD-1 is just one piece, of the bigger puzzle. If you don't have well recorded audio tracks, to begin with, mixing with the UAD-1 is not going to make much difference anyway. You know what they say You can't polish a turd

You would be hard pressed to find any self respecting UAD-1 user with a crappy SB sound card, a $30 Radio-Shack mic and a pair of, cheap plastic computer speakers. At least none, that would openly admit it.

http://www.chrismilne.com/uadforums/

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:14 am

snooky wrote:hmrphf, I still don't think that you lot should get yer panties in a twist just becasue it says "vintage" or LA2A or "ABCD" or "1234" on the gui of the plugs...in their OWN right I guess they are marvelous, but they won't turn your consumergrade PC into a recording wonder..that's up to your experience...ya hear that kids!?!

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:19 am

billybk1 wrote: .. user with a crappy SB sound card, a $30 Radio-Shack mic and a pair of, cheap plastic computer speakers.

Add Nuendo, Waves Platinum bundle and tons of spamming different forums with ridiculous questions to this and you've got.. = ?

- bManic

PS. This isn't directed at anybody, just a silly joke.

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:09 pm

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:There's one more point in DSP vs native debate... You have to know PC/Mac peripheral setup steps to install UAD card or it won't go well. Most of you know this (I mean, how to unscrew the box, how to insert the PCI card, how to setup drivers). But this isn't as easy as it seems for many musicians and producers. It will be easier for them to hire somebody to install the card and drivers, but that usually costs a lot.

Here Powercore is a more user-friendly solution. But since UAD has been mentioned in this thread, here's its obvious user-view problem. Probably, this side of the things causes much scepticism: you have to be a techie.

I think everybody that uses computers for music should be able to install a pci card.

(admitedly, I have a friend that had problems connecting fw cable

, an excellent muso though)

putte · Post by **putte** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 1:20 pm

.. dont know how it works on a pc, but on a mac you just open it, plug the pci-card in and then close the mac again. (took me about 38 seconds on my g5.)

hey, i am a techie! ..

putte

Aleksey Vaneev · Post by **Aleksey Vaneev** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 8:52 pm

Yeah, guys at UAD [probably] think the same way - it only takes 38 seconds.

But it ain't that simple. For many users you have to have courage to open the case. Sometimes it may be also true that guarantee stops when you open computer's case.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:27 pm

Aleksey Vaneev wrote:Yeah, guys at UAD [probably] think the same way - it only takes 38 seconds. But it ain't that simple. For many users you have to have courage to open the case. Sometimes it may be also true that guarantee stops when you open computer's case.

Actually that's not really true Aleksey. They know that many people don't want to go near the inside of a computer. Their tech support is really very good at handling that.

On the other hand, it really is NOT a solution for everyone. If it was there would be no reason for your excellent plugs. It's nothing more or less than a high quality option for people to choose from. Choice is a good thing.

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Mon Oct 10, 2005 9:30 pm

And back to the subject at hand. I don't even use multi-band compressors and I'm drueling like an idiot. That thing just looks awesome. Plus, I can't remember them doing anything with a compressor that is less than great so I'm sure it will kick ass.

It's the VST equivalent of gear lust I guess. Oh well, there are far worse bad habits.

omo · Post by **omo** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 2:28 pm

billybk1 wrote:

I guess that you do have to look at dynamic distortion mechanisms and also the precise attack and release curves, as well as the quirky way ratio changes with level.

Those are very important attributes, and are modelled as closely as we can possibly get them. Basically it is within the tolerance of unit-to-unit variation. The 1176 is a very difficult process to model because of its feedback structure, and the attack time is actually less than one sample. In the mathematical realm where everything is quantised to single samples, you have to play very complicated mathematical games to replicate that. It doesn't actually require up-sampling because of the shape of the knee, and the DSP guys are very good with these things — they have all these tricks they can play using a predictive approach that basically calculates all the possible paths and then selects one as the starting point for the next sample. The LA2A even has a photon value in there that goes between the L panel and the cadmium cell.

Joe Bryan/UA

Don't forget to turn on your bullshit filter before reading that article.

bmanic · Post by **bmanic** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:52 pm

Omo, got any evidence of why one would need the bullshit filter? Ever A/B'd these things? I have. They are close, very close. Not perfect but I definately believe that they had to do some serious modelling (you think advanced physical modelling like the Korg Z1 or Yamaha PL series has is bullshit?) to get this close to the results.

.. well, maybe they used some phrasing in the article that made em sound like DSP God's but never the less, you can't deny the impressive performance of these things.

- bManic

snooky · Post by **snooky** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 7:58 pm

hype.

omo · Post by **omo** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:10 pm

I have. la-2a is not close enough or even remotely close to say what he said in the interview - "Basically it is within the tolerance of unit-to-unit variation". Plain bullshit. Not gonna go futher with this, who wants will make something of it. USe that filter more effectively. And I suggest to read some very well put GM thoughts on his board about digital compression and sample rates Where UA fed you some more bullshit. Just being straight, no offence. The plugs are good plugs, not arguing that.

ammoniad · Post by **ammoniad** » Tue Oct 11, 2005 8:26 pm

Well, I know LA2As are not very inexpesive. Same with 1176s. BIG BUCKS. I know the UAD- do not sound EXACTLY like the real thing. What I do know, is they make my mixes sound light years better than before I had the card. No body is holding a gun to anybodies head. I say chek em out before you dis.

Tons of off-topic BS inside! Sweet!