Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!

[Midiworks]

Hm, 2 guys at AES,
2 different views...

No photos.
(many cell phones have, mine can even record movie and sound)

No audio clips, nothing.
Think about it, there is only the IK/AT site...

[putte]

.. well put, midiworks.

[Lunch Money]

Regarding sustain-- sim or no sim, if he was playing through an actual amplification system (ie. speakers!) the dynamics between strings and amp is restored.

There's no plug-in in the world that can increase the natural sustain of your guitar. I don't mean that sustain can't be added with effects, I mean that the string itself will only vibrate a certain amount of time. This amount of time, and the way it vibrates, is partially (sometimes largely!) affected by standing in front of a speaker.

So, even with your humble existing setup, give'er a try. Compare the sustain you get from tracking with headphones to the sustain you get from tracking while pumping the signal through some cabs or a sizeable enough hifi.

Greg

[mondo tormento]

Hm, 2 guys at AES,
2 different views...

No photos.
(many cell phones have, mine can even record movie and sound)

No audio clips, nothing.
Think about it, there is only the IK/AT site...

Yes, as far I'm concerned AT2 is still nothing but a myth. Where are Adam and Jamie when we need them??

[Funkybot]

Regarding sustain-- sim or no sim, if he was playing through an actual amplification system (ie. speakers!) the dynamics between strings and amp is restored.

There's no plug-in in the world that can increase the natural sustain of your guitar. I don't mean that sustain can't be added with effects, I mean that the string itself will only vibrate a certain amount of time. This amount of time, and the way it vibrates, is partially (sometimes largely!) affected by standing in front of a speaker.

So, even with your humble existing setup, give'er a try. Compare the sustain you get from tracking with headphones to the sustain you get from tracking while pumping the signal through some cabs or a sizeable enough hifi.

Greg

Lunch Money, while that is true, I wasn't surprised at the fact that it was sustaining, I was surprised at how good the sustain sounded. What I said impressed me most was how the dynamics were still kept intact even with the huge amount of gain. It was basically like "wow, the picking dynamics are still coming through even though it's sustaining that much." I don't know how other to explain other than even with my monitors cranked on my Guitarport, using my Les Paul or not, I'm not getting both aspects (dynamics + sustain). It always feels like it's one or the other, whereas this one felt like it had both.

[Stupid American Pig]

Hm, 2 guys at AES,
2 different views...

No photos.
(many cell phones have, mine can even record movie and sound)

No audio clips, nothing.
Think about it, there is only the IK/AT site...

Yes, as far I'm concerned AT2 is still nothing but a myth. Where are Adam and Jamie when we need them??

Lets have the myth busters investigate whether or not iLok/PACE has actually made any money for a company. Lets put the copy protection myth to rest once and for ALL

[tq]

O.k. Any information on how much it will cost to upgrade from Amplitube Live? If it is 199,- , then I might be interested. If not, I might upgrade my Komplete 2 to Komplete 3 (however, I am not really interested in the other stuff NI put in there, except GR2 - and I am not so impressed with the specs so far; looks very much like an slightly improved version that does not sound so much different from the old one... but I would be happy to hear from the people that could compare both already...) TQ

[Lunch Money]

Funkybot, sounds good. Guess we'll have to wait for the demo to find out fasheezy!

Greg

[tq]

Lets have the myth busters investigate whether or not iLok/PACE has actually made any money for a company. Lets put the copy protection myth to rest once and for ALL

That's simple: YES, there are companies that made money from iLok and PACE. Quite simple: The companies selling these copy protections and dongles...

(But I would guess that companies aren't stupid and can compare sales before and after the introduction of copy protection - so there must be a good reason why they opt for protection, even considering that they might lose some customers because of the inconvenience this causes...)

[Sascha Franck]

(But I would guess that companies aren't stupid and can compare sales before and after the introduction of copy protection - so there must be a good reason why they opt for protection, even considering that they might lose some customers because of the inconvenience this causes...)

The problem being: There's no way to compare. What you'd have to compare to is a company with unobtrusive copy protection, such as a serial number or a simple keyfile (as with eXT) and excellent support.
In case of, say, Steinberg that has never been the case. Their support is lousy, so you won't buy things for your love of the company.
I'm almost sure they made more money from SX3 with it's rather long lasting copy protection - but then, nobody will ever know if they'd made even more money in case they'd go the "serial only" way and offered superb support instead of putting their money into protection schemes.

[loophead]

AES NYC:

I asked the player to hit some stuff while I turned down his volume pot. 'Lets hear how dynamic this is.' I mean thats the whole point right. So what do I hear ? Zero dynamics. As I change the volume the sound remains exactly the same timber. "Whats up ?" I ask. "Well that bit of the code has not been implemented yet" he tells me .... ! Ok I wont ask squids what he heard but if he has been raving about this he'll need to get a better doctor.

Alright will this have the dongle ? "NO" he says. "NO" I ask in disbelief "are you absolutly positive ?" ...."To my knowledge it will NOT have the dongle" he replies ....

So the jury is out. If A2 has dynmics like they have been touting it will be worth it to most customers.

If it has NO dongle (I will believe it when it is released next month (? )) some customers will actually buy it.

Regardless; everything around the sim can be had better with various plugs so to me thats all window dressing. I was unable to verify anything of sonic value because still this plugin is not ready.

So those of you who want to know how it sounds will have to wait because the important bit is not being shown or demoed. Anything anyone is hearing is not useful information.

We wait and see...

[diverdee]

It's not scientific, but comparisons between companies utilising 'intrusive' copy protection & those that don't could be made I suppose.
The one that comes to mind is cakewalk vs steinberg, similar products etc., reason's copy protection is fairly simple also.
I've got Live which uses challenge/response - but at least it's simple non-pace c/r.
both the props & live appear to be doing very well don't they?
I gather that cakewalk are doing well, buying out other small companies/developers etc. & including their products in sonar/p5 etc. - how are steiny actually doing? they appear to have had a rough time, bought & sold & shuffled about - who knows?
Then again waves are obviously doing ok, but that may be partly due to their perceived 'pro' standing in the audiosoft world.
At the end of the day we can probably only make guesses, some more informed than others.
Some of us will accept intrusive copy protection, others (myself included) wont - horses for courses.
I just hope the use of these schemes doesn't become standard, or those with the same viewpoint as myself will be very limited in what they can use.

[AndrewSimon]

Lunch Money, while that is true, I wasn't surprised at the fact that it was sustaining, I was surprised at how good the sustain sounded. What I said impressed me most was how the dynamics were still kept intact even with the huge amount of gain. It was basically like "wow, the picking dynamics are still coming through even though it's sustaining that much." I don't know how other to explain other than even with my monitors cranked on my Guitarport, using my Les Paul or not, I'm not getting both aspects (dynamics + sustain). It always feels like it's one or the other, whereas this one felt like it had both.

No need for further explanation, we get it.
It's good news.

[Hink]

Lets have the myth busters investigate whether or not iLok/PACE has actually made any money for a company. Lets put the copy protection myth to rest once and for ALL

That's simple: YES, there are companies that made money from iLok and PACE. Quite simple: The companies selling these copy protections and dongles...

(But I would guess that companies aren't stupid and can compare sales before and after the introduction of copy protection - so there must be a good reason why they opt for protection, even considering that they might lose some customers because of the inconvenience this causes...)

That's not true, I've had a reason to investigate ilok some recently and I learned something very interesting...the only people who complain about them are the hobbyists. In fact I believe that ilok is the professionals choice. One guy told me he had thousands of dollars in gear all storing their codes on one ilok.

I know it get cracked easy according to some, (which ilok doesn't really agree with) but the studios dont care about that, they no that their business is only as good as their reputation. Using cracks is skating on thin ice and risking their whole studio, they will always buy the software. They realize that copy protection is essential...they really don't care as much about how well it protects the software company, they really care about how about the easiest form of copy protection the better...I mean writing down a dozen passwords, repsonses for challenge/response, stopping to grab a cd for verification like B4 all are not all that bad, but added together when you have a lot of gear is quite a pain in the ass...ilok offers a one step solution...interestingly it does seem that some people have issues with their pcs running bad or having crashes because of ilok...but those running dedicated computers for their music do not seem to have these problems.

BTW I had a terrible experience with ilok, and yet I still say it's not their fault, but Antares and ilok bent over backwards to solve the problem.

So I say in time saved, larger studios do make money with ilok.

[kilroy]

You know...I'm beginning to think most of you lot would probably be just as happy with a SansAmp PSA-1.

Very responsive to dynamics, great sound, *great* analog preamp, no copy protection, straight forward interface, portable...plug in...dial a few knobs...and start feeling the luv.