KVR Audio

SJ_Digriz · Post by **SJ_Digriz** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:07 am

lesha wrote:so, with any host supporting pdc there should be no latency, right ?

No this is not a true statement. You just won't have to adjust the latency differences between your tracks yourself. You will still have output latency equal to the longest signal path the audio takes.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:37 am

lesha wrote:so, with any host supporting pdc there should be no latency, right ?

PDC will adjust the timming between tracks but if you play an instrument live and apply FX to it in real time (like a guitar for example) you will have latency.
If you do not do any live playing with live processing then it doesn't matter.

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 8:54 am

CANE CREEK wrote:Also on my 2 UAD-1's i can run about 15 plugins ranging from compressors/limiters/Plate 140 reverbs/Roland dimention D etc now those 15 plugins would put a hell of a strain on even the best PC's outhere today Yet ive still got a P4 3.2 /2GB memory to run my hungry minimonsta's and reaktor 5's.

I have a ProjectPak and will surely add another card to the setup soon(ish).

Do you think two cards are enough for 24 to 32 channel mixes without freezing and other workarounds?

k

CANE CREEK · Post by **CANE CREEK** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:11 am

soulata wrote:
CANE CREEK wrote:Also on my 2 UAD-1's i can run about 15 plugins ranging from compressors/limiters/Plate 140 reverbs/Roland dimention D etc now those 15 plugins would put a hell of a strain on even the best PC's outhere today Yet ive still got a P4 3.2 /2GB memory to run my hungry minimonsta's and reaktor 5's.
I have a ProjectPak and will surely add another card to the setup soon(ish).

Do you think two cards are enough for 24 to 32 channel mixes without freezing and other workarounds?

k

Impossible to answer , everybody works differently every track is different it would be stupid for me to give you a yes/no answer.
you own 1 card so you know what you get out of it just times it by 2.

i get by fine with 2 cards , but if i had another free PCI slot then i'd buy another , if i had 2 spare PCI slots then i'd buy another 2.

Pouckypluysch · Post by **Pouckypluysch** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:52 am

You could also consider the Soundscape route. The mixer that comes with the Soundscape cards/input boxes let you use effects without latency. It's a TDM-like system, it's not per se the best solution for any DAW. Check www.sydec.be for more info.

daverich · Post by **daverich** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 9:54 am

I've got 1 UAD card but will shortly be getting another especially as I'm going to 96khz.

Man you wanna hear the cambridge at 96khz.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

funkynuts · Post by **funkynuts** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 10:00 am

I have one card which is maxed out straight away.I need another soon.

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:29 am

Well, I guess 2 cards should be enough for a while.

k

Alan · Post by **Alan** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:45 am

CANE CREEK wrote:there ain't no native plugins outhere that can top UAD-1 plugins.

Purely opinion and certainly not gospel.With the exception of the Pultec Emu,I personally like Native EQ's like URS and Sonalksis slightly better than UAD's EQ offerings and I also like Waves Lin EQ and the disontinued TLA-EQ1 and Voxengo's gliss EQ as much,and comp-wise I like the native Timeworks Compressor-X as much as as UAD's La2a,but of course their different.While the Plate 140 is a cut above most native solutions I'd rate the TC 6000 EMU's miles above UAD's offerings in that dept.,so if I were to put up with the card/latencey headache it would be for that reason(TC/VSS3 etc.) only so far.Of course some of the high-end native solutions like URS come with their price tag as well in terms of unreasonable copy protection schemes giving the UAD an edge there according to your personal point of view,but claiming there's no equivalent is pure favoritism at this point,especially when it comes to the rest of their line.It's problem free 1.5ms and native for me along with quality that I'm not missing at all with the exception of TC's System 6000 Reverb Emu's.All of these rantings are just my opinion based of personal hands on experience,and certainly not gospel either.

Dunbar · Post by **Dunbar** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 11:47 am

hhhmmm.... these UAD cards seem really underpowered by todays standards. I couldn't justify spending that amount of money on what is essentially a very old graphics card.

I guess you're not really paying for the hardware - i've heard nothing but praise for the quality of the plugs. But, it seems you just have to keep forking out for expensive, underpowered, DSP dongles when you run out of head room...

Burn me at the stake if you think i'm wrong

daverich · Post by **daverich** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:04 pm

Dunbar wrote:hhhmmm.... these UAD cards seem really underpowered by todays standards. I couldn't justify spending that amount of money on what is essentially a very old graphics card.

I guess you're not really paying for the hardware - i've heard nothing but praise for the quality of the plugs. But, it seems you just have to keep forking out for expensive, underpowered, DSP dongles when you run out of head room...

Burn me at the stake if you think i'm wrong

Yes the DSP card is underpowered by todays standards - however it's still very capable.

The plugs though are amazingly good - and I personally feel it's still true to say they are the best available today. Sure the TC reverbs might be better - but for EQ and compression UAD is great.

Kind regards

Dave Rich

billybk1 · Post by **billybk1** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 12:27 pm

Dunbar wrote:hhhmmm.... these UAD cards seem really underpowered by todays standards. I couldn't justify spending that amount of money on what is essentially a very old graphics card.

You are essentially paying for the plugin suite and getting the DSP card for free

Most people buy the UAD-1, for the quality of the plugins and not so much the native CPU savings. Although that is a nice side benefit.
But, don't underestimate the optimized DSP power, of the Mpact2 chip, even when compared to today's GP CPU's. Given the intensive processing requirements, of many of the UAD-1 plugin algorithms, a dedicated DSP solution is still the most efficient way. I can run 16-25 (1176LN's, LA-2A's, Pultecs, Fairchilds, Plate 140s etc), (2-UAD-1 cards), on my DAW and my total native CPU hit, on my ol' PIII 1Ghz CPU is only 4%-6% max. About what I would get for just one native VST URS eq plugin or less than a single instance, of many other native plugins.

soulata · Post by **soulata** » Wed Oct 12, 2005 1:02 pm

ditto

lobsterman · Post by **lobsterman** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:52 pm

I have a laptop...how can i use the UAD?

funkynuts · Post by **funkynuts** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 5:58 pm

Magma chassis with pcmia connection to laptop

Probably too expensive if you only want one card as the chassis will cost 2 - 3 times as much as the uad

UAD-1 vs. powercore or better solution? - resolving CPU lim