KVR Audio

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:10 am

A3ntar wrote:Exactly

Now let's hear something similar from AT2...IK is sleeping..ZzzZzzzzz

If Amplitube2 will sound like this,
that will be amazing.
Somehow I don't see it happening but it will be wonderful if I am wrong.

I really like how clean and sparkling is the sound even on the more distorted settings.

AndrewSimon · Post by **AndrewSimon** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 6:12 am

Hink wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote:Enjoy this demo:

http://www.rocktron.com/products/prophesy.mp3

What do think?
I think the playing is awesome, however the sound is purely subjective...I find the overall tone a little to electronic and tame to maintain the raw sound I like...

Forget it..... you will never be happy with an amp sim.

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:14 am

loophead wrote:Fritz I think you misinterpret my post. Maybe its my bad. What I am saying is that the softwares available can all get to the same general places. You want an mp3 make one. It is not my time or desire to prove anything. I'm not selling anything here.

...

Here I guess my post was not clear. I am not saying in absolutes that they are all the same but in the general sense that they are. With work I can get 'my sound' out of any of them.

Hi loophead,

sorry, but this is actually what I understood in the first place. And my example was clear I think. Try to make a poor $30 guitar sound like a hi end PRS. Forget it. You might get good tone out of it that works cool in certain context. And yes, the artist is very important. Listen to good guitar players with a signature tone. THEY do the most of the sound. But most of them prefer certain equipment and they do sound different with different equipment. Take EvH, he sounds like himself if he plays an old Marshall or a 5150. But the sound is different. That's it what I was talking about.

Best wishes, FRitz

fritzman · Post by **fritzman** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 10:45 am

AndrewSimon wrote:Enjoy this demo:

http://www.rocktron.com/products/prophesy.mp3

What do think?

Nice!

but it must sound good because they have"Dynamic Tube Replication Technology (DTR)". How could it sound bad?

And yes, at least a Les Paul ...

Best wishes, FRitz

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:32 pm

AndrewSimon wrote:
Hink wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote:Enjoy this demo:

http://www.rocktron.com/products/prophesy.mp3

What do think?
I think the playing is awesome, however the sound is purely subjective...I find the overall tone a little to electronic and tame to maintain the raw sound I like...
Forget it..... you will never be happy with an amp sim.

wtf does that mean? In fact you're full of shit...all my music is done with either a POD 2.0 or a Sansamp GT2...both of which are hardware sims.

I said flat out it was purely subjective so dont go off all freaking assish saying I'll never like an amp sim because I dont like the rocktron (keep your words in your mouth and out of mine please)..I didn't like the didgitech 21 whatever stuff either got the same reason...both just sound too eletronic...too me there is no attack, plenty of sustain but the lack of attack is unatural ( I know you're gonna tell me it has one tube right? Too bad in order to get good tube distortion you need at least two tubes)...and really you dont hear the strings, just tone...sorry I dont like that sound, sorry I like the sound I get, sorry you can't take a little criticism, sorry I even responded. (next time I'll remember if you're not going to agree I shouldn't respond, even if someone could learn)

That's the problem with KVR, if you're honest about something like the sound of...people become completely defenseive so we have to kiss ass...you asked for an oninion and you know what pal...my opinion is as valid as anyone elses here, and the fact that the Rocktron wasn't exactly the number one seller at the time, tells me I'm not alone...

But you just listen to those who like the sound...and ignore people who dont kiss your ass and sya it like it is...FOR ME IT"S TOO ELETRONIC now is there a problem with that or should I just be like you...

BTW I'm not saying there is anything wrong with the sound if it works for you, I just a like a very unprocessed sound for my guitar...that is not.

helium · Post by **helium** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 1:53 pm

Hink wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote:Enjoy this demo:

http://www.rocktron.com/products/prophesy.mp3

What do think?
I think the playing is awesome, however the sound is purely subjective...I find the overall tone a little to electronic and tame to maintain the raw sound I like...

Maybe it was recorded with an electric guitar

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:10 pm

helium wrote:
Hink wrote:
AndrewSimon wrote:Enjoy this demo:

http://www.rocktron.com/products/prophesy.mp3

What do think?
I think the playing is awesome, however the sound is purely subjective...I find the overall tone a little to electronic and tame to maintain the raw sound I like...
Maybe it was recorded with an electric guitar

jesus this place is f**ked up..you state an opinion and everyone is a wise ass...I'm sorry

I absoluetley totally love your outdated roctron, there was never a piece of gear as awesome, I am just a lame guitar player...please forgive my blatant ignorance because I have no f**king clue what I';m talking about

There now I kissed ass like th way it should be ...bye

billybk1 · Post by **billybk1** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:43 pm

Hink wrote: jesus this place is f**ked up..you state an opinion and everyone is a wise ass...I'm sorry

I absoluetley totally love your outdated roctron, there was never a piece of gear as awesome, I am just a lame guitar player...please forgive my blatant ignorance because I have no fkucing clue what I';m talking about

There now I kissed ass like the way it should be ...bye

Hey Hink, that was one of the best KVR posts ever, I nearly fell out of my chair.

Stupid American Pig · Post by **Stupid American Pig** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 2:48 pm

I want a slice of that bacon...

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:19 pm

We just love it when people overreact, don't we?
Hink, why don't you just calm down and do some guitar phrasing lessons?

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:23 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:We just love it when people overreact, don't we?
Hink, why don't you just calm down and do some guitar phrasing lessons?

guitar phrasing lessons? Something wrong with my playing?

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:26 pm

Yes, I allready told you in the past. Your phrasing (and probably tone choice as well) could need some workouts. Just MHO, but then, I'm allways saying what I'm thinking.

loophead · Post by **loophead** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:27 pm

fritzman wrote:
Try to make a poor $30 guitar sound like a hi end PRS. Forget it. You might get good tone out of it that works cool in certain context. And yes, the artist is very important. Listen to good guitar players with a signature tone. THEY do the most of the sound. But most of them prefer certain equipment and they do sound different with different equipment. Take EvH, he sounds like himself if he plays an old Marshall or a 5150. But the sound is different. That's it what I was talking about.

Best wishes, FRitz

We are on the same page but...Who is trying to make a $30 gtr sound like a $3000 one ? I just think there is more difference in your example of a Marshall v. 5150 than between say the Waves rig and AT2. In my mind the 'sims' are roughly equivalent and I feel I could get the same quality (or lack of) out of either. And I'm not talking about a player playing through different gear so HE sounds different (Eddie was playing through different gear for his own reasons), but trying to get the SAME sound out of different simulators.

Sascha Franck · Post by **Sascha Franck** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:32 pm

FWIW, I'm rather surprised that IK has't implemented their all so new and shiny dynamic response thingy into Amplitude yet.
For me that's what it's all about.
Here's a 5 minute mockup:
http://home.arcor.de/s.franck/temp/SF_AmpResponse.mp3
Been using 1 single sound for all the rhythm guitars. So, the almost clean one is just the same amp sound as the more heavy things. Those are doubled (just the common procedure), but apart from that I only turned up the guitar volume and switched pickups.
I also recorded a bit of noodling on the second half, still the same amp sound with the gain turned up a bit.
Edit: Oh, btw, there's a bit of delay and reverb on the cleanish and noodling guitars, otherwise they're completely untouched (no EQs or whatsoever).

As long as amp sims don't come close to that (and mind you, it's not even my amp sim of choice, left it in the theatre yesterday, as there's another gig in half an hour), I won't be using them. And so far the ones I tried don't.

Hink · Post by **Hink** » Thu Oct 13, 2005 3:33 pm

Sascha Franck wrote:Yes, I allready told you in the past. Your phrasing (and probably tone choice as well) could need some workouts. Just MHO, but then, I'm allways saying what I'm thinking.

well maybe oneday I'll be as good as you Sascha...but I am happy with ny tone, I am happy with my phrasing and I would never judge anyone on such things...and later I will play, it will bring me pleasure, and there will be some people that will like what I played...if you dont, then dont listen to it...

Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!