Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!

[Beardedone]

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Are the drums real drums or a sampler?


I will asume it's a sampler (BFD or alike).
But tell us how do you go about programing it?
Is it midi files and you take it from there?... or do you use some drum pads?

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Thanks so much! BFD and Dr008. I spend a lot of time in piano roll edit mode

Cheers,
Gordon

[fritzman]

Hey man, I was just saying that if you're going to let the blonde woman affect your decision rather than waiting until there are some good sound demo's... well... don't you think that's just a little kooky?

I mean, you say above that you'd like audio demo's, but then in the same post you're making it blatantly clear that you're not even considering buying it because of the trailer.

What gives?

Hi Andrew,

as I said before, give me the audios minus the porn. You might call me narrow minded and I call it values. You have your stop points, too. Yours are different than mine. What's so complicated about that?

Heaven forbid your family see anything from the real world. I'm not trying to be a cnut, just offering my opinion from an outside perspective. I think you're being a little too protective.

How old are your kids? They live on planet Earth, correct? So do you prevent them from playing with Barbie dolls and Action man? Do you turn off the TV every time Britney Spears or 50-Cent are on it. Do you advocate mobile phones at the age of eight?

Hm, my kids are 21, 15, 10, 6, 4 and nearly born.
And yes, we all live in this world. That doesn't mean that I have to feed my kids with poisoned stuff, give them some drugs for a better sleep and some fun in between and I don't need them to make all those stoopit faults their fellows around make only because it's "NORMAL" in this oh so wonderfully "normal" world.

Maybe I'm a little over protective, dunno.
The question is where to have your borders: To tell my 4 year old not to run on the street because she can't see how fast that car really is? To tell my 6 year old that she is not allowed to smash other kids until they bleed? To forbid my 10 year old not to build any bombs on his own but to go to his uncle who's a chemistry man to have things under sane control? To tell my 15 year old not to have sex because she could get aids and become pregnant?
Yes, maybe I'm a little over protective but I love my kids and see no need to let them run into problems where they don't necessarily need to have them.

I'd just like to understand where you're coming from man. We live in a pretty poo society where people like 50-Cent are the role models that the post-church God (Read: TV) gives kids today. Flick on any music channel and chances are you'll come across a Nelly video with twelve women shaking their marginly covered assholes at the camera, or you'll come across some fake ass band like Franz Ferdinand who end up teaching kids that it's cool to pay more attention to your looks than your brains.

I find it a little odd that after all that influencing your kids (whether that's now or in another four years) you're going to base a purchase on a trashy trailer.

It's simple: Everybody has their values. i don't feed my kids with MTV and all of this junk. When my values are violated I simply make decisions. Everybody does that. If I would hit you in the face you would be a little defensive, right? You better be cause I'm a big, strong guy. I could break your hands so that you never could play guitar again. I would never do that! but you would be defensive, wouldn't you? Cause your values are violated. My values are obviously different in SOME areas than yours. I'm defensive when someone wants to harm my kids in any way.

I dunno.. maybe it's because I'm not a parent, all I know is I would make sure my kid knew that he or she had a choice in what they liked and what they thought was cool, that they didn't have to go with the flow and that they didn't have to like what their friends like.

Meh..

For some things that's alright, sure. But do you basically say that it's ok for kids to take drugs, fck around, harm others, steal, etc. just because it could be what they liked or what they might think that it's cool? I don't think so.


Best wishes, FRitz

[tq]

Fritzman and Andrew, could you stop this, please...? We are filling this thread with pages of pages of junk and discussions unrelated to the thread's name.

Why not open a thread 'Bad taste in music instrument adverts'. I guess this thread could go on for some hundreds of pages...

[fritzman]

Alright tq,

I'm out of this.


Best wishes, FRitz

[Hink]

bottom line...companies wow us with advertising gimmicks and lists of features. When it comes to buying a candy bar that might work, but when it comes to buying gear? I dont know about you but I try to be educated in what I buy...and I dont even buy it based solely on features...in fact the number one thing I look at when buying software, guitars, amps or other music gear all I care about is the benefits of those features..as a salesman I sold benefits, not features.

Yes when I was in sales I would say something like "it has this, this and this" (listing features) followed by "so that means you can do this, this and this"...selling the benefits..maybe squids will pass this along (one can hope). But hotties have the potential to alienate both any gay musicians and even female customers, what does that say?...it seems too me to be a poor ploy as I see no benefits...

[Aural Chaos]

Let me ask you guys with the tit problem... do you drink Coke? Do you wear Nike? Do you buy Snickers? Do you buy Skittles? Do you buy Pampers diapers?

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f**k NO!
Not everyone is a brainwashed consumer!

[Amberience]

Hey man, if everyone weren't a brainwashed consumer, consumerism wouldn't exist. Take a look around you, I bet there are stacks of things you could live without.

Anyway, enough of this nonsense, the thread doesn't need it Amplitube 2 ...

[Stupid American Pig]

I bet that Synchrosofts marketing jargon has a nekked lady in it...

[Beardedone]

I bet that Synchrosofts marketing jargon has a nekked lady in it...

Much more destructive that that I bet.

[Squids]

Oh man, there is some funny stuff in this thread. I don't have time to read every post since my last one but the Andrews are full of some great thoughts on the subject!

Okay... As with anything there are always levels of insult in advertising. In this case, it is in my opinion of the somewhat harmless sexy/rock n roll territory and with it a play on words "super modeling" by using a somewhat super model looking girl. If you want to know the truth, I had suggested getting Carmen Electra after seeing her on one of the latest guitar magazines. But, I was demonstrating in Sweden and one of IK's distributors also owns a modeling agency (nice...) one thing led to another and you have probably what would be an appropriate ad that guitarists would be more used to (than say your typical software ad that keyboardists are used to). It doesn't look much different than an ad for guitar strings or a guitar or amp. Do you use those tools? Are you going to avoid using Dean Markley because they have a half naked girl in the ad? How about a Strat? How many guitarists are concerned about what is in the ads at all? How many would let it affect what gear they buy? .000001%? As far as concern for your family, I have a simple solution: don't show them the ads, just show them the plug-in! Luckily the model doesn't pop out of the plug-in half nude randomly.

Seriously though, if anyone is offended by the multitude of sex in marketing that exists unavoidably everywhere you turn (as expressed... from snickers to coke to beer to hotel resorts to movies to...) then it is up to them how they want to shelter themselves or their family from it. We're not going to change the world to accomodate to us. But, marketing is something to get your attention and interest. I'd say that with a thread this long fueled half by the controversy of it that it was effective. Sure, some of you claim that you won't get it because of the ad's "sleezy" nature but if THAT is the reason you choose another competing product instead then it shows where your priorities are (ie. not in the sound and features). Most musicians, however, will buy what they think will be the best tool for their music making purposes. So, just being aware of it (and yes, hearing it eventually in not too long as well) is the first step toward that consideration.

Ok, next up, the latency discussion... splitting hairs? There is no such thing as zero latency in software (or real life as well). 3-5ms is undetectable. But, it is not like something else offers the same features but better latency. Sure, you can buy a real amp (and should, why not? But it is not the same thing... AT2 is like having thousands of amps and a whole lot of other production tools that one amp or even several amps costing you thousands still will not do). However, as Funkybot hilariously pointed out that unless you play with your ear to the speaker you get latency on stage too! Big time. So, this talk about latency gets a little out of hand in my opinion. However, I agree that the feel has to be right to each person's individual tastes. For someone like Sasha, they'll have to try it out and see. If I say a number in milliseconds and you say a number because in theory this and that etc it is all speculation. You'll know when you play it if it feels right to you or not and THAT is the most important spec I think that supercedes what is written.

I have to get back to work here. But, I actually wanted to post about what I saw last night. Pretty cool. I was backstage at the Rolling Stones concert. I got to check out everyone's rig (love doing that). They had lots of Fender amps but I was surprised to see they were also running AmpliTube 1 LIVE! The Stones. AmpliTube. AmpliTube ONE (so you can imagine how much they will like AT2 even more). This is reality. Talk is talk and everyone has opinions as they have a certain part of the body (not tits... although actually we do all have those as well come to think of it). But, its all subjective. Some people can say they think AT1 sounds bad but then the Stones will use it (when they can use ANYTHING they want). But, then someone could even say the Stones don't sound good... and then, of course, someone can say the same thing about YOUR music as well (although when you are in a band that plays sold out concerts for 5 decades please let me know ).

Bottom line is, as subjective as it may be and each person is entitled to their opinion AmpliTube is well received in the music business and used by a lot of prominent artists. They use it because they like it (they can use anything they want and can afford it too). And that's just AmpliTube 1. AmpliTube 2 goes to another level (goes to 11?) in many ways and I think you'll find it used on a lot of records and even tours... even more than AmpliTube 1 which is already extremely popular.

Just something to think about. Of course, my main feeling about the importance of the plug-in is not in who uses it (even though it does say something), not in what is in the ads but most importantly what is it going to be able to do in YOUR hands? I know what I can do with it!

Fun to discuss though... even if we go round and round... how many pages are we at now?

[Sascha Franck]

Squids, regarding latency there's 2 issues:
In a "through software" environment, those figures are doubled, because latency is happening at both in- and output.

OK, now, I could probably still compensate for that, but in the end it'll feel like standing on a 20m stage instead of a 10m one, a huge difference in perception. That's why you get your guitar on the front monitors as well on big stages.

The next point is recording.
What will you do automatically in case your sound is coming out of the speakers 5-10ms late? Right, you'll compensate for it via playing a bit early, so the speaker sound is in time with the rest of the music.
So, instead of playing on beat one, you'll play on the last, say, 128th of beat four of the previous bar.
While tracking this is still not important as you can (and will) compensate for it manually.

Now, what will happen on playback? Yeah, correct, the software will play things back as they actually *were* recorded, not as they were *meant* to sound like. So, what was supposed to be your beat one, what actually even *sounded* like beat one while tracking will now be heard on the last 128th note of the previous bar!

Btw, the same is true for virtual instruments as well, just that in this case latency is only happening once (on the output).
For a little experiment to prove the problem, set your buffer size so high you almost can't play VSTis anymore (something along the lines of 20-30ms should work fine). Now, try to record quarter notes that will *sound* right while recording (by autocompensating for the latency manually). Then play back.
You will notice that your recordings are horribly early.
Btw, you can also emulate these things by using a plugin causing latency on your master out.

And now, finally, about the "5-10ms won't matter" statement: Have some drums playing, use individual tracks for, say, kick, snare and hats.
Now delay the snare track by 5-10ms. If you don't notice the difference in timing, the audio recording business probably isn't made for you.

As said before, this is even less of a problem while playing live, but it becomes all too apparent when tracking rhythmically critical material.
The only solution would be to actually run amp simulators through a second machine and record the result of it without monitoring through the recording software. It's the only way to actually capture your performance.
Of course it's becoming less noticeable as soon as latencies are down to something around 3ms in total for I/O (64 samples buffersize).

[AndrewSimon]

..... the model doesn't pop out of the plug-in half nude randomly

.... hmm....

[Sascha Franck]

Oh btw, I'd be truly interested in what sounds the Stones are actually using AT for.
And no, this is not because it's bad or anything, just because I'd like to know what *they* think is replaceable.

[A3ntar]

LOL, this thread is NUMBERRRRR ONE!

they were also running AmpliTube 1 LIVE! The Stones. AmpliTube. AmpliTube ONE

Squids, you're sure you didn't hallucinate that due to too much exposer to IK products? ...Just kidding man

What are they using it for?

[AndrewSimon]

Sascha Franck
3-5ms should be OK.
Anything above it and you might need a work around.