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AD80 wrote:Bah! Damn you Linux nerds with your secret codes and secret handshakes. Long live Windows!!
I've used Windows since version 3.11 and still use it. Not that many years ago this forum would've been filled with Apple people calling people running Microsoft products nerds. Windows was not a good multimedia platform up until fairly recently.

Windows has finally matured... but everything has a life-cycle. The direction Windows is heading is not something I feel is viable for the longterm. The entire nature of computing has changed dramatically, and I see Microsoft as dying off with things like the RIAA because they are trapped in their old business paradigms.

Linux sucks, but it has the most promise right now because it is a dynamic and complex chaotic organism rather than a monolithic centralized company. If you were on a trip across the ocean through uncharted seas, would you choose the Titanic, or a pack of speed boats all linked via communication?

I'd choose the speed boats. I could have my own vessel so that I wouldn't be forced to take the path that everyone else was taking. I could help contribute to the collective intelligence of the pack by reporting what I see, so that when one of us catches sight of an iceberg in our path, we can all instantly shift course.

Windows is great right now... but Vista approaches, and if you aren't a fan of Digital Rights Management you might begin looking elsewhere. If Linux isn't your thing, BeOS has recently been getting a lot more attention. There is YellowTab Zeta and Haiku has recently hired a full time developer.

There is a major conflict between two philosophies of computing... those that believe information can be forced to behave like physical matter through the use of legal mechanisms, and those that see the cheap cost of producing and distributing information as a liberation from the restrictions of the past.

I like Tracktion. I'd like to be able to use it on an open os where I don't have to call to ask for permission to use it. If people would rather port Traction to BeOS or some other open source project I know nothing about, please do so. But right now Linux is what has support for all my hardware and can run most applications I need. I just need to fill-in a few gaps, Tracktion being one of them. :)

If others also feel this way, keep replying to this thread so Mackie can see there is a market.

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Father Ham wrote: If others also feel this way, keep replying to this thread so Mackie can see there is a market.
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I'm about to install Fedora on my main machine tonight, as I'm doing some SDL programming for a game compo. *

So yes, I'd like to see a Linux version of T2. :D

* - I prefer KDevelop on linux to either Dev-C++ or VC++ Express Beta in windows
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Father Ham wrote:
AD80 wrote:Bah! Damn you Linux nerds with your secret codes and secret handshakes. Long live Windows!!
I've used Windows since version 3.11 and still use it. Not that many years ago this forum would've been filled with Apple people calling people running Microsoft products nerds. Windows was not a good multimedia platform up until fairly recently.

Windows has finally matured... but everything has a life-cycle. The direction Windows is heading is not something I feel is viable for the longterm. The entire nature of computing has changed dramatically, and I see Microsoft as dying off with things like the RIAA because they are trapped in their old business paradigms.

Linux sucks, but it has the most promise right now because it is a dynamic and complex chaotic organism rather than a monolithic centralized company. If you were on a trip across the ocean through uncharted seas, would you choose the Titanic, or a pack of speed boats all linked via communication?

I'd choose the speed boats. I could have my own vessel so that I wouldn't be forced to take the path that everyone else was taking. I could help contribute to the collective intelligence of the pack by reporting what I see, so that when one of us catches sight of an iceberg in our path, we can all instantly shift course.

Windows is great right now... but Vista approaches, and if you aren't a fan of Digital Rights Management you might begin looking elsewhere. If Linux isn't your thing, BeOS has recently been getting a lot more attention. There is YellowTab Zeta and Haiku has recently hired a full time developer.

There is a major conflict between two philosophies of computing... those that believe information can be forced to behave like physical matter through the use of legal mechanisms, and those that see the cheap cost of producing and distributing information as a liberation from the restrictions of the past.

I like Tracktion. I'd like to be able to use it on an open os where I don't have to call to ask for permission to use it. If people would rather port Traction to BeOS or some other open source project I know nothing about, please do so. But right now Linux is what has support for all my hardware and can run most applications I need. I just need to fill-in a few gaps, Tracktion being one of them. :)

If others also feel this way, keep replying to this thread so Mackie can see there is a market.
Yeah that makes a lot of sense. I could definitely see Microsoft dying. I'll use whatever has the most stuff easily available. So when Linux becomes that, I'll switch in a second.
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Father Ham wrote: Windows is great right now... but Vista approaches, and if you aren't a fan of Digital Rights Management you might begin
There is more to all this than just a "DRM". Look here:
http://www.opengl.org/discussion_boards ... 2;t=000001

Supposedly ms want to get rid of an openGL in the Vista. What other multiplatform, common and not cotrolled by ms standard we have? What are chances the ms will not try to kill it the same way?

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GaryG wrote:get Tracktion on Linux then Linux on a PSP and your sorted. geezer.
Right said Fred! :-)

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I'm resurrecting this thread after just learning of the existence of a 'wineasio' project, allowing low-latency driver access to audio apps running under Wine.

Does anyone have any experience with this here, with Tracktion or any other audio app?

Thanks,

-Kent
Music is something you DO. Spend time, not money.
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I believe the eXT nerds are using wineasio effectively. Might want to peek into that forum. :)
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well i got tracktion 3 running under it.....not very good performance though when it came to playing the demo projects...


if you are interested in wineasio, head over to the energyXT forum and check out my howto on wineasio with XT2(guide based on ubuntu), or over to jacklab.net for general wienasio information. i wanna try tracktion 2 if i can find a demo for it,(edit: my homeboy google found it ;) ) but part 3 doesnt really work efficiently for me. XT2 windows version under wineasio is unreal though


when i test T2 with wineasio i'll report what i find.




edit2: Lunch Money: I may be a "computer music lover", but im no "NERD" :hihi: ;) my social skills are intact. "Geek" is more closer to a truthful term :D we are a little more like regular peple, with a passion for whatever it may be








--------------Report on Tracktion 2: ---------------------------------

Hmm...seems much better :) i dont know as much about tracktion to be able to make a guess as to why tracktion2 works a lot better than tracktion 3 ...perhaps T3 needs more optimization *anyway*, seeing as its still a fairly young app, or it could be its new implemented features (which are often used in the demos) that are causing the demos in T3 to basically crackle and pop my p4 3ghz 1gb ram pc...im almost certain this wouldnt happen if i booted into windows though :( but alas, t2 seems pretty useable, minus a few gui niggles with the little help dialogs and some issues with my window manager (i use a blinged-out one) seems like T2 may be the ticket for mackie lovers wanting to try wineasio.


pic of Tracktion 2 demo and energy XT2 (both windows versions) running on my (x)ubuntu feisty ,connected together with jack. in this scenario i am using XT2 as a "windows vst rack" with discodsp highlife and "tb peach" and recording the audio from them into a track into tracktion 2! (thats all i know how to do in tracktion so far :oops: ) tracktion. pretty cool, eh? 8)


*click the pics for the big-uns* :D

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the second pic is just a lil eyecandy.....compiz-fusion cube deomnstrating how you rotate to the other side to get to a firefox window...is that kvr??? :hihi:

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now its time to turn of the demo, swoosh is killing me :D
i am me and i am free...k thx bai

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Oh yeah and if there are some specific things anyone is interested in being tested, just let me know here or in a PM. i'll definitely test. like i said im not that familiar with tracktion, but from a quick test run seems cool :)

im in particular interested in getting version 3 to work better :)
i am me and i am free...k thx bai

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Wow, thanks for a great update! Is that the Beryl desktop you're running? Wacky!

It looks like you're running a lot of different windows vst plugins on ext on linux. Is that all pretty stable?

I'm also wondering, for synth/effect vst's in T2 do you get access to the default presets, or do you have tweak those up yourself?
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skipkent wrote:Wow, thanks for a great update! Is that the Beryl desktop you're running? Wacky!

It looks like you're running a lot of different windows vst plugins on ext on linux. Is that all pretty stable?

I'm also wondering, for synth/effect vst's in T2 do you get access to the default presets, or do you have tweak those up yourself?
well tbh, it runs just like windows, with a little extra toll on the cpu. I havent really tried doing a lot in tracktion yet, s the demo swoosh is annoying, especially when your moving really slow trying to figure out how tracktion works. :hihi: if tracktion makes its own gui then you may have issues with presets etc...in energy XT2 i just use the plugins gui to go through presets. works great


as far as vst's the general rule of thumb is if they "install" to wine, then they will work (this is not always the case, it reallly depends on how the plugin was coded, its security etc) so it may vary. I personally am using all commercial plugins i own, minus my melodyne plugin. but if you have a dual boot, if i *need* to use it i just drag a project over to my windows partition and open it natively :D the great thing for me is, wineasio has kept me from absoltely having to boot into windows to do anything musical. i stay in linux, and i stay happy. linux is like the complex synth of computing...sure some of its terms may be foreign, sure some others think its nerdy to be into doing stuff with it, but once you get your "presets" down, its a blast! and much much more powerful than the competition, even if not on the same playing field, due to hardware vendors not supporting linux etc...


i could go on and on i love using wineasio and linux in general...and im no computer scientist, just a guy who likes making music and web design graphic design...my parents old computer was full of virii and junk, i installed ubuntu for them, spent a few minutes getting their printer to work, showed em open office and BAM! they love ubuntu! my parents! if they can get by in ubuntu for basic computing then linux is NOT out of the question.

i will give some more reports (perhaps in a new thread) when i get some more time to play with t2 and perhaps t3 :D
i am me and i am free...k thx bai

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