Hi all, you might want to go back to our Web site and download the latest version 1.06 of PLParEQ1. It has many improvements, including runtime performance, and also a bug fix that caused some crashes at the higher (> 80k) SR's.
Some more documentation available in PDF and on the page too...
- DM
PLParEQ1?
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- KVRist
- 236 posts since 5 Oct, 2005 from Tucson, AZ, USA
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- KVRist
- 236 posts since 5 Oct, 2005 from Tucson, AZ, USA
Quite frankly, one of our aims in releasing this little 1-band wonder was to raise the level of expectations for EQ's in general.
Even though I am a former "Rocket Scientist", it really doesn't require that kind of background to do a good job in filtering.
... and yes, our technology is much better than our artwork... so pay attention to the inner guts and just don't look at it if you don't like it. This was free, after all...
- DM
Even though I am a former "Rocket Scientist", it really doesn't require that kind of background to do a good job in filtering.
... and yes, our technology is much better than our artwork... so pay attention to the inner guts and just don't look at it if you don't like it. This was free, after all...
- DM
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
Well there's JMH missing...fritzman wrote: bmanic and Kingston are some authorities for this. These are guys I listen to when it comes to eq or compressor questions. This is not slimey but the simple truth. I respect these men for knowing what they are talking about.
Our 3 resident audiophile fins.
Should make up for a nice song title.
Oh, btw, no offense meant, I love you guys.
At least you don't troll around like nuffink has decided to do as of lately.
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRist
- 236 posts since 5 Oct, 2005 from Tucson, AZ, USA
I should also mention that this little 1-band EQ took about 1 afternoon of programming for the DSP guts, another day for the GUI (my weak area), and another day to ferret out the GUI-DSP glitches...
Perhaps we should open-source it so that others could improve on the GUI?
- DM
Perhaps we should open-source it so that others could improve on the GUI?
- DM
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- KVRAF
- 1933 posts since 29 Apr, 2005 from Beyond all space, time, and dimension.
David, again, many thanks for offering a great free product and my compliments to yours and your partners' design.
A few comments:
After some more work with it, I feel the plug holds its own against any digital EQ out there on every setting except setting 5 linear, where it starts to come head and shoulders above any other in terms of smoothness and transparency (though for those EQ's like WWAYM's NWEQ, Sonic Timeworks' EQ, and CW Budde's ElectriQ which deliberately color the sound, any comparison of superiority is a bit difficult since it's apples vs. oranges).
There is one huge caveat, though, which you and your company have made perfectly clear: the high quality level processor intensiveness is so extreme as to make this a difficult product to use at that level if it is run simultaneously with other effects and is monitored in real time at level 5. Some serious parallel processing would no doubt be up to the task, but obviously we are talking about a pro level setup in general here, so my position, in spite of my past complaints in this thread, is that the full version of this plug is probably going to be confined to the usues of pro studios, both based on price as well as h/w performance demands.
All that aside, though, the stripped down version is a very welcome addition to the non-pro or semi-pro studio, even though most of us may struggle to use it beyond a certain point based on CPU resources.
One suggestion: Aleksy Vaneev of Voxengo, for one, has implemented a function on at least one of his EQ's (Gliss EQ), where the highest quality level remains on hold but is activated automatically when the plug is used to render offline, thus avoiding any gum-up of CPU resources when the highest quality is activated, since it doesn't activate in real time, only after rendering begins. This seems like a very sensible addition to your product. Another advatage is that, if left on all the time, it allows one to "set it and forget it" (to quote Ron Popeil
), and still be assured that all rendered or bounced tracks will have the highest level of quality.
One other observation I'd like to make for everyone reading this---I find that on linear setting 5, this is the only digital EQ that allows high frequency boosting but seems to add no additional "digital edge" to the sound. Lower quality settings don't seem to achieve this, but I feel I'm hearing it clearly on setting 5.
Dave
A few comments:
After some more work with it, I feel the plug holds its own against any digital EQ out there on every setting except setting 5 linear, where it starts to come head and shoulders above any other in terms of smoothness and transparency (though for those EQ's like WWAYM's NWEQ, Sonic Timeworks' EQ, and CW Budde's ElectriQ which deliberately color the sound, any comparison of superiority is a bit difficult since it's apples vs. oranges).
There is one huge caveat, though, which you and your company have made perfectly clear: the high quality level processor intensiveness is so extreme as to make this a difficult product to use at that level if it is run simultaneously with other effects and is monitored in real time at level 5. Some serious parallel processing would no doubt be up to the task, but obviously we are talking about a pro level setup in general here, so my position, in spite of my past complaints in this thread, is that the full version of this plug is probably going to be confined to the usues of pro studios, both based on price as well as h/w performance demands.
All that aside, though, the stripped down version is a very welcome addition to the non-pro or semi-pro studio, even though most of us may struggle to use it beyond a certain point based on CPU resources.
One suggestion: Aleksy Vaneev of Voxengo, for one, has implemented a function on at least one of his EQ's (Gliss EQ), where the highest quality level remains on hold but is activated automatically when the plug is used to render offline, thus avoiding any gum-up of CPU resources when the highest quality is activated, since it doesn't activate in real time, only after rendering begins. This seems like a very sensible addition to your product. Another advatage is that, if left on all the time, it allows one to "set it and forget it" (to quote Ron Popeil
), and still be assured that all rendered or bounced tracks will have the highest level of quality.One other observation I'd like to make for everyone reading this---I find that on linear setting 5, this is the only digital EQ that allows high frequency boosting but seems to add no additional "digital edge" to the sound. Lower quality settings don't seem to achieve this, but I feel I'm hearing it clearly on setting 5.
Dave
Here is my small version:
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- KVRian
- 1305 posts since 26 May, 2003 from im müscha...
*lol* this engage CPU eats about 100% 
...is yes one tremendously terrific plugin 
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...is yes one tremendously terrific plugin ...cutro
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- KVRist
- 236 posts since 5 Oct, 2005 from Tucson, AZ, USA
Dave has an excellent idea from Aleksy... I will try to put that sort of auto-switchover into it as I can... but seriously, perhaps you all would rather have a go at the GUI and the control features? The DSP core is pretty solid.
- DM
- DM
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- KVRAF
- 1933 posts since 29 Apr, 2005 from Beyond all space, time, and dimension.
To your first point: I respect and really support that kind of attitude. I feel the same about pursuing music. I think it's fine to make a pile of cashdbmcclain wrote:Quite frankly, one of our aims in releasing this little 1-band wonder was to raise the level of expectations for EQ's in general.
Even though I am a former "Rocket Scientist", it really doesn't require that kind of background to do a good job in filtering.
... and yes, our technology is much better than our artwork... so pay attention to the inner guts and just don't look at it if you don't like it. This was free, after all...
- DM
, but my personal work in life is worth much more if it contributes in general to the quality of work and experience for others.As to the GUI, I think people started torpedoing that aspect of your other product mostly because of the price point, but then expensive software is usually associated with bigger companies with broader design staffs (which include artists). No biggie.
Then again (just to bust your chops
) I suppose you could liken your programming vs. aesthetics work to putting a Maserati engine inside the body of an AMC Pacer. 
Here is my small version:
PLEASE VISIT www.thehungersite.com DAILY AND CLICK THE LINKS. THEY DONATE MONEY TO CHARITY BASED ON AD INCOME. IT'S FREE!
PLEASE VISIT www.thehungersite.com DAILY AND CLICK THE LINKS. THEY DONATE MONEY TO CHARITY BASED ON AD INCOME. IT'S FREE!
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- KVRian
- 1398 posts since 9 Dec, 2002
Sascha Franck wrote:Well there's JMH missing...
Our 3 resident audiophile fins.
I'm not an audiophile, it's them two first mentioned with the golden ears... I'm just into 303s and 'What was that Cher effect' stuff
Regards,
JMH
Now available with added Inherently Suspect Justification!
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- KVRAF
- 13444 posts since 14 Nov, 2000 from Hannover / Germany
Shit. You messed up my song title. 2 is not enough.jmh wrote: I'm not an audiophile, it's them two first mentioned with the golden ears... I'm just into 303s and 'What was that Cher effect' stuff
There are 3 kinds of people:
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
Those who can do maths and those who can't.
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- KVRist
- 236 posts since 5 Oct, 2005 from Tucson, AZ, USA
Pricing is always a tricky endeavor... we spent more than 12 man-years to get to this point, although most of that was aimed toward gaining a better understanding of human loudness perception and how hearing impairment relates to that...
But the technology employed in PLParEQ1 is a direct spinoff of those 12 years.
If we price too low, then nobody will respect it. If we price it too high, then nobody can afford it... We can't hope to make back our investment in research on this one or several products.
There is always a sweet-spot in pricing, depending on the market you are aiming at. Trying to hit that sweet spot to maximize income with price vs. volume is very tough to do.
I have really appreciated hearing all the feedback on this EQ. I knew it was good, but you guys in the mixing rooms know sound even better than I do.
One idea for this forum... suppose we sold the DSP core along with the open source for the VST control, and let you roll your own GUI? The DSP core, of course, would include a default VST interface.
- DM
But the technology employed in PLParEQ1 is a direct spinoff of those 12 years.
If we price too low, then nobody will respect it. If we price it too high, then nobody can afford it... We can't hope to make back our investment in research on this one or several products.
There is always a sweet-spot in pricing, depending on the market you are aiming at. Trying to hit that sweet spot to maximize income with price vs. volume is very tough to do.
I have really appreciated hearing all the feedback on this EQ. I knew it was good, but you guys in the mixing rooms know sound even better than I do.
One idea for this forum... suppose we sold the DSP core along with the open source for the VST control, and let you roll your own GUI? The DSP core, of course, would include a default VST interface.
- DM
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- KVRian
- 1442 posts since 30 May, 2005
jmh wrote:Sascha Franck wrote:Well there's JMH missing...
Our 3 resident audiophile fins.
I'm not an audiophile, it's them two first mentioned with the golden ears... I'm just into 303s and 'What was that Cher effect' stuff
Regards,
JMH
JMH,
you know, yesterday when I was already in bed I just thought if I fogot a serious set of bat ears and you came to my mind.
Best wishes, FRitz
In the end will be the word.
Check out some of my music at www.fritzmetal.de
Check out some of my music at www.fritzmetal.de
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- KVRist
- 236 posts since 5 Oct, 2005 from Tucson, AZ, USA
For the curious about our hearing technology, we have a great deal of proprietary information embedded in this series of products. Our pricing on the low end is a small fraction of a good set of digital "hearing aids"... but we are much more than just that...
Here is a hint at the inner workings of our technology...
d^2 y/dt^2 + rho * dy/dy + k*(1+gamma*<y^2>)*y = eta * F(t)
this nonlinear differential equation is solved many thousands of times per second to achieve proper hearing correction...
We call this equation the "EarSpring" equation, for good reasons... anyone out there know a little physics?
- DM
Here is a hint at the inner workings of our technology...
d^2 y/dt^2 + rho * dy/dy + k*(1+gamma*<y^2>)*y = eta * F(t)
this nonlinear differential equation is solved many thousands of times per second to achieve proper hearing correction...
We call this equation the "EarSpring" equation, for good reasons... anyone out there know a little physics?
- DM
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- KVRian
- 1442 posts since 30 May, 2005
Hi David,
thanx for that great FREE eq!!!
I will try the new version to see if it solved the problems I had so far. Extremely cool that you do bugfixes on this free plugin.
I'm not so sure about the open source idea. I mean for you. Sure, I would like to have a multi band version of this eq (a nicer GUI wouldn't do bad either) but I think you would loose some potential customers by that.
Best wishes, FRitz
thanx for that great FREE eq!!!
I will try the new version to see if it solved the problems I had so far. Extremely cool that you do bugfixes on this free plugin.
I'm not so sure about the open source idea. I mean for you. Sure, I would like to have a multi band version of this eq (a nicer GUI wouldn't do bad either) but I think you would loose some potential customers by that.
Best wishes, FRitz
In the end will be the word.
Check out some of my music at www.fritzmetal.de
Check out some of my music at www.fritzmetal.de
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- KVRist
- 380 posts since 30 Aug, 2001 from Pyrlandia
@ nuffink
please try the eq
tho' their hearing restoration stuff seems a bit dodgy (at least from the marketing side), this eq employes quite simple principle in a brute force way.
any iir filter can be made phase linear offline by runing audio thru it twice in both directions. phase distortions cancel out then. it seems to me, that they just used that technique by buffering audio, they've dealed with intermodulation by using 8 x overlap and added 2 x oversampling too it. quite simple after you think about it
and useful in certain situations
so who cares about the rest
peace
please try the eq
tho' their hearing restoration stuff seems a bit dodgy (at least from the marketing side), this eq employes quite simple principle in a brute force way.
any iir filter can be made phase linear offline by runing audio thru it twice in both directions. phase distortions cancel out then. it seems to me, that they just used that technique by buffering audio, they've dealed with intermodulation by using 8 x overlap and added 2 x oversampling too it. quite simple after you think about it
and useful in certain situations
so who cares about the rest
peace