Are You Dated?

[Kriminal]

Aaaaaaaaaanyway. Once you all hear my mighty DnB sounds you'll understand what I was talking about. I've got this top secret break I'm using that no one knows about from this Winstons tune, called Hey men Brother or something...

Yeah well, you should hear my Winston Churchill break....

[atomic_(no)afro]

i've asked this before, but does anyone know of a website with a comprehensive breakdown of electronic music styles and the terminology used? i get lost when these things are tossed about...

Wikipedia's stab at a comprehensive list (not complete)

Ishkur's Guide, which is more of a parody site than an academic examination of the various sub (and sub-sub)-genres of electronic music.

Moreover, I myself learn this stuff by:

1. Reading mags like URB, XLR8R, and iDJ
2. Listening to the new underground stuff itself. I'm in a good position for this by DJing for a college radio station, but one could easily just hang at a local club/electronic records shop and take a listen to what new stuff they get in.
3. Read music blogs (and be really snarky about it too )

ATA

[Bonteburg]

I think it's kind of interesting and funny how this is mostly about drum-and-bass now but I guess the same niche-like discussions apply to any electronic genre, so it's still very instructive even when you're not a DnB-nerd

When I made my first tentative steps on techno territory 5 or 6 years ago my djing, techno savvy mate told me the scene had a way of moving faster than the guitar-based stuff I'd come from - if it was last year, it was dead.

I remember being kind of shocked coming from a background where it didn't really matter if you listened to the Doors or Steve Malkmus, or even Beck, as long as it steered clear of the dark side (ie techno/beats etc).
Most Doors songs are definately part of what I'd call my teenage soundtrack , even though I'm only 30 myself.

Maybe electronic music has a way of "dating faster" cos it hasn't been around for so long (yeah I know about Bob Moog and Kraftwerk but you know what I mean).


It's not old enough to have a truly classic period - yet. Except the Acid revolution but that's only borderline-old imho.

Marco

[bluedad]

Most Doors songs are definately part of what I'd call my teenage soundtrack , even though I'm only 30 myself.

they were part of my teen years, as well!
ah, the memories 'riders on the storm' bring up!

[Bonteburg]

[j_T]

they were part of my teen years, as well!
ah, the memories 'riders on the storm' bring up!

Talking about teen years ... wasn't that song called "Light My Fire"?




Regards,

Tommy

[foosnark]

i've asked this before, but does anyone know of a website with a comprehensive breakdown of electronic music styles and the terminology used? i get lost when these things are tossed about...

Wikipedia's stab at a comprehensive list (not complete)

Ishkur's Guide, which is more of a parody site than an academic examination of the various sub (and sub-sub)-genres of electronic music.

Moreover, I myself learn this stuff by:

1. Reading mags like URB, XLR8R, and iDJ
2. Listening to the new underground stuff itself. I'm in a good position for this by DJing for a college radio station, but one could easily just hang at a local club/electronic records shop and take a listen to what new stuff they get in.
3. Read music blogs (and be really snarky about it too )

ATA

Ishkur's might be tongue-in-cheek, but the relationships between sub-genres make a lot more sense there than on the Wikipedia section. I'm having real trouble figuring out why IDM and Downtempo got crammed together and how Electropop fits in under either of those, for example.

[wrench45us]

certain people love certain forms of music and go to great lengths to learn all they can about it and work within the parameters of that form. it's certainly a valid way to learn a great deal about making music.

and certain people don't care for particular forms of music enough to concentrate on those forms and are completely baffled by the minute distinctions between splintered sub-genre. these people are more interested in free self-expression and that's certainly a valid way to learn a great deal about making music.

with other art forms like painting or dance one can get training in 'classic' techniques, but then other forms just go more directly to free self-expression.

I think what's really so different in music production is the technology changes so fast and yet people who go out to dance probably want a predictable, but cutting-edge club experience. the music becomes one of these very modern forms of consumable commodity that has a very short lifespan, similar in a lot of ways to pornography as a consumable transient experience that needs constant replacement.

personally i like to take d'n'b drum patterns and slow them down to about 85 or 90 bpm. lot of good stuff going on in there that flies by so fast it can't really be appreciated at its native speed.

[atomic_(no)afro]

personally i like to take d'n'b drum patterns and slow them down to about 85 or 90 bpm. lot of good stuff going on in there that flies by so fast it can't really be appreciated at its native speed.

Plenty of downtempo/chillout is like that man, especially the stuff off of The Agriculture. Furthermore, the previously mentioned "Nu Skool Breaks" is a direct advent of slowing down D&B record playback, which later generated original production along those lines. Want Reeses? Want complex breaks? Can't dance to D&B? Then Nu Skool is for you!

ATA

[DWb]

I just got my panties in a bunch when I heard DnB was called dated sounding. DnB is many bad things, but the basses and other production techniques are anything but dated, which is what this thread is about.

I'd agree with that. There's an argument around, which I have some sympathy for, that drum and bass now ('cept maybe choppage) hasn't moved far beyond drum and bass from five years ago stylistically, but that's not the same as sounding dated. They still both sound futuristic as hell.

As to the complaint about DJ oriented intro-drop-whatever structure, that doesn't really seem to be the sort of stagnation that's the issue - it's more that a lot of the sounds and beats are staying pretty much the same. I suspect that the problem here is precisely that the production standards have got so high that there's none of that falling-over-forwards constantly-having-to-do-something-new feel that the scene had when it was younger. It's maybe got a bit self-satisfied. OTOH, if it isn't already happening but I haven't heard about it, someone's liable to blow it wide open again soon...

*dons flame resistant vest*

[foosnark]

Want Reeses?

Mmm, Reese's.

[dover666]

extratone is (d/a)hc at points exceeding speeds of 1000 bpm creating additional sounds, such as humming or chaotic screaming sounds. I can't really explain it, i just make dirty loud drum music. VERY FASSST. So die. Oh yeah, and DNB sucks. It's a stupid dead way to make music. Like fruity loops. crap. there's a dNB station here. EVERYONE HATES IT! DJ's are dead too. Unless they can keep their dirty mits off the record. Stupid beatmatching bastards. DIE

[dover666]

post post- Electronic music is older than rock. Go buy that 10$ organ at the thrift store- bust open the back- VOILLA! TUBES! But they don't tell anybody that on the vh0.

[quote="Bonteburg"]
Maybe electronic music has a way of "dating faster" cos it hasn't been around for so long (yeah I know about Bob Moog and Kraftwerk but you know what I mean).
:?:

It's not old enough to have a truly classic period - yet. Except the Acid revolution but that's only borderline-old imho.

Marco :)[/quote]

[soulata]

I remember being kind of shocked coming from a background where it didn't really matter if you listened to the Doors or Steve Malkmus, or even Beck, as long as it steered clear of the dark side (ie techno/beats etc).
Most Doors songs are definately part of what I'd call my teenage soundtrack , even though I'm only 30 myself.

same here (i'm 28 ). and I thought it was just this place here

nothing wrong with that (just bought allman brothers band's idlewild south in a cd store)

k

[Failed Muso]