Storm Studio, Reason, FL Studio, and Orion Platinum

[Kriminal]

I'm a P5 user as well but no thanks - I like clever dissing!

you mean you're just too embaressed to say

[jens]

right!

[tony tony chopper]

Because when its inverted, it starts at maximum whereas teh kind of multi-stage envelopes I was thinking about always start at zero.

I never saw any multipoint envelope that's forced to start at zero. But even if those existed, it'd just be a matter of.. inserting a new point at zero, no?

[Wopelka]

imo it's ridiculous to say it's a toy - it only show that the one who says it either didn't really try it or hasn't got a clue...

i've got Storm2, i really tried to use it, really tried - a lot - and i failed... i failed to find it more useful than a toy. the pseudo sequencer is really a pain in the ass, the clip-audio player is a joke, Rewire implementation is nothing more than a half-lie, and the cpu load is impressive. some synth have nice sounds, tho.

[jens]

I didn't find the cpu-load to be very high... - but why use it as a rewire-slave anyway?

What were you trying to achieve?


Personally for me it's mainly an inexpensive vsti which adds some good sounding synths, drum-machines and acid compatibility to my vst-host of choice... (and it even writes acid-files from its sequences!)

[arke]

Off topic, but ... if somebody knows of a way to control Reason parameters from within FL, please let me know!

[Wopelka]

What were you trying to achieve?

as far as i remember (i desinstalled Storm2 more than a year ago), there was a vsti version, but i never found a way to use it without redhibitory struggles. Rewire could have been a smart way to use it within Sonar, but it didn't work properly. it was also a workaround to use more than 3-4 synths and 4 FXs, the internal limitation of one instance of Storm, as it was said you could rewire several instances together.

on my computer, the cpu load was monstruous as soon as i was trying to use more than a synth and a couple of FXs. and i haven't talked of the graphical environment that was locked to a certain screen resolution yet... nightmare.

i guess - and hope - that Storm3 is way more efficient, but i won't give Arturia one more penny for this product.

[jens]

What were you trying to achieve?

as far as i remember (i desinstalled Storm2 more than a year ago), there was a vsti version, but i never found a way to use it without redhibitory struggles. Rewire could have been a smart way to use it within Sonar, but it didn't work properly. it was also a workaround to use more than 3-4 synths and 4 FXs, the internal limitation of one instance of Storm, as it was said you could rewire several instances together.

on my computer, the cpu load was monstruous as soon as i was trying to use more than a synth and a couple of FXs. and i haven't talked of the graphical environment that was locked to a certain screen resolution yet... nightmare.

i guess - and hope - that Storm3 is way more efficient, but i won't give Arturia one more penny for this product.

that's really weird...

I've not had any significant problems with it (I used it as a vsti within Sonar (and later Tracktion))

Did you contact Arturia's support?

Xurrently I don't use it anymore as my way of working has changed and also because i've got so many other great synths (in fact too many actually)

b.t.w.: I didn't upgrade to V3 as it doesn't work as a vsti anymore (which pissed me off big-time)

[Wopelka]

Did you contact Arturia's support?

no, i admit. for me it was easier to forget about it (i'm lazy you know ).

[arke]

Lookit here, BONES - this is a REAL equalizer

[original flipper]

HI

I have P5 and was initially very taken with it - unfortunately I kind of found that it had the 'feel' of a closed application: a bit like Reason - even though it is not.

I don't think it is a half bad program, but I found (after a fair amount of use) that it was taking me far too much time to do the most simple things - being someone who works extensively in the piano-roll I had to retire it prematurely - perhaps an up-date someway down the line might bring me back to it.

Anyway it was a good investment - I shall be getting Dimension at a huge discount on the back of it - and that VSTi is a serious piece of kit.

For me XT just rock's - and I have had practically every host/sequencer around: steepish learning curve, hate the automation ... but what a piano-roll.

What an unusual thing to get excited about !

Flipper.

[gruberman]

Can somebody keep Boner away from me? I don't use ORION.

[rbet]

Xurrently

That's the name of my new track!!

[BONES]

Hands up anyone who's ever bought something on the recommendation of someone else - you're all idiots!

See, now you are starting to get it. I did, once. Biggest mistake I ever made [ASR-X].

My point was that it's one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument, then one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument,one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument,one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument,one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument,one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument,one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument,one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument,one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument,one click to switch to the piano roll, then another to switch back to the instrument....

I reckon that is more times than I would switch between the two during the entire process of finishing a song. I almost always get one or the other right first and then find something that works with it. I doubt that I have ever gone into the piano roll to tweak anything based on a change I made to the patch its playing. But then, I tend to use modulation over automation.

So what, exactly, is wrong with FL's workflow?

Its channel-centric, a unique paradigm for the simple reason that no-one else would do it that way. FL does simply because it started as a drum machine rather than because its a really good idea. So its an extra batch of data, because it still has a playlist and a mixer, that you need to reconcile and any accountant will tell you that a 3-way reconciliation is a whole lot more work than a two-way.

I downloaded Orion Platinum ($299) which I assumed was the top of the range package, hence I'm comparing it with FLStudio XXL ($299) which includes Sytrus.

No, what you downloaded was the demo of ORION Platinum, for $299 you get a boxed product with a CD containing 600Mb of high-quality samples and presets plus a printed installation manual.

Again, if you're happy with the limitations of Orion's synths, then I'm happy for you, but don't expect everyone else to accept those limitations!

There are no limitations. Absolutely none whatsoever. I could happily use them to make any kind of music forever. Why would you even think that?

And in my everlasting quest of self improvement, could you please let me know why you consider me to be "pitiable"?

Because you are human.

I never saw any multipoint envelope that's forced to start at zero. But even if those existed, it'd just be a matter of.. inserting a new point at zero, no?

Sure but that comes back to what I started with, its a whole lot more effort to set-up for a simple task, which 99% of the time is what we use them for.

[CC4]

b.t.w.: I didn't upgrade to V3 as it doesn't work as a vsti anymore (which pissed me off big-time)

...hmm, it probably would work better as a vsti.

it doesn't stand well on its own.