about Trentemoller and ACID 5

[Reverse Engineer]

Reverse Engineer,
the database engine u mentioned, is that the SQL server desktop engine one? its the only thing that is new besides the media manager, in my add/remove section. so im guessing thats it..

Yep, that's it.

Also, under (file menu) options/preferences/general untick "enable media manager" it's the third option from the bottom.

[funkychickendance]

i just read in a interview with Trentemoller, my absolute favourite producer, that he uses ACID 5, wich kinda amzed me.

last time i tried that host, it was pretty laggy and well, it felt kinda limited and timeconsuming to work with. especially for midi and the likes..

i may be wrong tho!

can anyone help me to get straightened out on this matter please?

I use ACID 5 Pro, so i'm inclined to believe the mag. Between 4 and 5, they did a lot to make it more MIDI and audio friendly. It's not perfect, but you can do most of what you want. Especially if, like me, you only slap bits and pieces of material together, a few bars at a time, on a bedrock of loops.

It's real good with VSTs, totally friendly to them...and I have dozens, and have never seen one glitch inside the ACID environment. Plus, it comes 'free' with three tolerably useful NIs -- B4, FM7 and P53 in simplified Express form.

i'm not suggesting ACID's fabulously powerful, but it certainly does what I want, right up to handling vast numbers of tracks. All you have to remember is that the MIDI implementation is not awfully friendly, and it helps to assemble some parts elsewhere -- like in Sound Forge.

I suppose I must be a rich tinkerer...but you couldn't tell it from my bank account.

/fcd

[steffensen]

thanks for the tips and advices guys.
as said, for what i mean to do with ACId, or whatever host i end up with, i wont be using that extrodinary amount of midi options anyway, but i do need it tho.
so there is still hope.

ive downloaded a demo now and trying to get it to start up, but it wont.
ive installed everything needed and it gets as far as i see the acid 5 logo n all, and the media manager is starting up as well, but then it just quits. and i have no clue on what goin on.
tried to reinstall it as well, no luck tho.

i'll keep at it a little while longer before bed.

thx again.

[Reverse Engineer]

thanks for the tips and advices guys.
as said, for what i mean to do with ACId, or whatever host i end up with, i wont be using that extrodinary amount of midi options anyway, but i do need it tho.
so there is still hope.

ive downloaded a demo now and trying to get it to start up, but it wont.
ive installed everything needed and it gets as far as i see the acid 5 logo n all, and the media manager is starting up as well, but then it just quits. and i have no clue on what goin on.
tried to reinstall it as well, no luck tho.

i'll keep at it a little while longer before bed.

thx again.

Oh maaaaannnnn. I wish i could help you here, but sadly (or thankfully) i've not encountered this problem.

Just for the sake of it, here's what i do.

1. Install acid

2. open prog, set options (vst folders / sample editor / audio routings etc including unticking media manager.)

3. shut acid down again THEN unistall media manager / sql engine from add/remove.

4. Restart acid.

That seems to do me. I wish you the best on getting it sorted, it truly is a great app once you get used to its little glitches.

[steffensen]

np! i'll sort it out somehow.
the problem is surely that i uninstalled the media manager and desktop engine BEFORE i opened up ACID.

but ive cleaned the registry and installing it again, keeping my giners crossed here!

im most curious on what special trix ACID have up its sleeve, that i get the impression it will have.

[steffensen]

seems it didnt fancy Amplitube, so i had to move that from my efx folder for a while. its working now tho, so guess i gotta stay up a little longer.

[mahtazz]

I think each person has to find the most handy way to make music.

I recently puchased Acid Studio 6 which has a lot of features of his big brother, including VST/VSTI host, at less than US$80.

It's a pleasure to work with Acid, it's so easy...

[dlr_cml]

Hey Steffensen (and others)

I dig Trentemøller as well. And he is really great live too.
Check this article from april. Unfortunately it's written in danish, but at least his setup is mentioned in the end of the article.. If you can't read danish...

http://www.housemusik.dk/index.php?opti ... &Itemid=93

[Colonel Flashback]

and he listens to Mazzy Star...

[steffensen]

dlr_cml,
oh, thanks for that great link man! been googling all day long for a interview better than the one i found in the first place, didnt find thsis tho!
and danish is OK, not that far from swedish.

so he does use ACID 5 then, amazing.
wish he could go deeper in to his working techniques.
i also wonder how much editing he does in sound forge, as i know SF is quite steep in many areas.

been looking for inspiration for about 2 years now, and sure, i fin a little here n there, but nothing that lasts. Trentemoller lasts tho! i really get inspired by listening to his tracks, and it make u wanna follow his style, and discovering ure own stuff while at it.

i tried ACID 5 demo last night, but i really couldnt see what was so easy and good about it.
i dont work with straight loops, im more into mashing up audio and then putting the pieces together, and recoding various synthlines ive done, and cutting those up as well.
sure this can be done in ACID, but i couldnt help but feeling it a little too complicated to do such easy tasks. is there something else about ACID im missing here?

[John Vulich]

One of the worst aspects of ACID 5, that no one has bothered to mention yet, is its lack of ability to use FX sends with VSTis. If you want to use FXs, with VSTis, you have to dedicate individual effects to each VSTi. Not a very efficient way to work, IMO. The mixer in ACID is actually pretty wretched, as is the MIDI implementation. It's a shame that such an innovative program has strayed so far off it's initial brilliant path. Unfortunately, with Sony at the helm, I doubt that they will ever get back on track again with ACID.

I was a big ACID user several years ago and gave up on it around version 4. Since then it just seems to be getting clunkier and clunkier. I've since switched over to using Ableton Live as my main host. I find Live to be light years ahead of ACID right now and it's only been around about half as long. YMMV.

And BTW, just because some producer you like uses it, doesn't mean that it's right for everyone. Moby has alledgedly used Alesis MMT-8 Sequencers to create his music. I can't imagine working that way but it apparently works just fine for him. Some people just like to be different.

[steffensen]

great info there John.
i do need my FX Sends actually, and as far as i tried the midi part las tnight, i did not like it. it was pretty messed up imo. but i only tried it for like 1H, even tho thats my impression of it.

Live is something ive tried on the other hand, and yea i kinda like it, i just dont like that it have to analyze the whole wav file before playing it up, ACID does that instantly. and the midi part in Live aint that good either tbh, even tho its usuable. Like Reason.
i just dont like that i have to drag window sizes all the time when i wanna edit something i guess. i would need a REALLY big monitor if i should use Live. heh..

the good stuff in Live tho, they are good. the audio part when actually choosed the audio stuff u wanna work with, is smooth. and resampling is smooth..routing etc..
the midi editor is OK as well.

but as said, i dont fancy the workflow. im trying real hard not to compare anything to Logic's workflow, as thats redicilous. but its hard..

as far ive seen, cubase is still the best choice if i wanna go non-Logic.

[mahtazz]

One of the worst aspects of ACID 5, that no one has bothered to mention yet, is its lack of ability to use FX sends with VSTis. If you want to use FXs, with VSTis, you have to dedicate individual effects to each VSTi. Not a very efficient way to work, IMO. The mixer in ACID is actually pretty wretched, as is the MIDI implementation. It's a shame that such an innovative program has strayed so far off it's initial brilliant path. Unfortunately, with Sony at the helm, I doubt that they will ever get back on track again with ACID.

Hi John,

I use to use Acid + energyXT instrument + energyxt effect for midi and audio routing. Not bad.

[steffensen]

eXT for teh win id say.

[John Vulich]

Hi John,

I use to use Acid + energyXT instrument + energyxt effect for midi and audio routing. Not bad.

That actually sounds like a very good solution. Can you use XT to get around the lack of FX sends? Do you just use 1 instance of XT for all your MIDI/VSTi parts including mixing them?