about Trentemoller and ACID 5

[John Vulich]

great info there John.
i do need my FX Sends actually, and as far as i tried the midi part las tnight, i did not like it. it was pretty messed up imo. but i only tried it for like 1H, even tho thats my impression of it.

Live is something ive tried on the other hand, and yea i kinda like it, i just dont like that it have to analyze the whole wav file before playing it up, ACID does that instantly. and the midi part in Live aint that good either tbh, even tho its usuable. Like Reason.
i just dont like that i have to drag window sizes all the time when i wanna edit something i guess. i would need a REALLY big monitor if i should use Live. heh..

the good stuff in Live tho, they are good. the audio part when actually choosed the audio stuff u wanna work with, is smooth. and resampling is smooth..routing etc..
the midi editor is OK as well.

but as said, i dont fancy the workflow. im trying real hard not to compare anything to Logic's workflow, as thats redicilous. but its hard..

as far ive seen, cubase is still the best choice if i wanna go non-Logic.

Yeah, the MIDI in Live is a bit limited but for my purposes it works just fine. I tend to compose ambient "soundscape" type tracks that don't require much melodic type content so it serves me quite well. Depending on your needs you can get around resizing the MIDI window by just leaving it sized the way you want and just use the "tabs", at the far bottom right, to switch to the different views.

The workflow style is one of those things that either works for you or it doesn't. I have grown to like it but it's certainly an acquired taste.

[impiegatopunk]

I used Acid for years to develop projects for songs that eventually went into biggers sequencers to be rearranged and completely produced. The interface is easy and quick and apart from one real gripe (not being able to do multitrack recording - still) and lacking midi implementation and absence of control surface drivers, Acid is a great worktool. It's excellent for sketches and if you put up with mixing onscreen, a great sequencer too.

[Bonteburg]

I first heard Trentemoller on the radio a couple of months ago...I remember thinking how the f**k did he do that? It was a very inspiring experience.
The question what kit he might have used never even occured to me...
i must be geting old
Marco

[steffensen]

John Vulich,
now why didnt i thought of using the tabs for that task.
tried it just now, and suddenly Live aint that unusable anymore.

think im gonna give it another shoot actually!

ambient soundscapes u say..
do u just import premade soundscapes and the likes into Live, or do u make them in there if i may ask?

i did some similar stuff with heavily processing a drumloop with some various GRM tools a while ago, and i doubt i would be able to do the same in another host actually.


Bonteburg,
hehe.. wise words there. it aint really about what u use, i know.. its how u use it. and yea, i too wonder HOW he does what he does. just was a bit curious if the host he is using had anything to do with it.


impiegatopunk, im sure it is a great tool. i just dount think its for me anymore, as i seem to depend on the stuff that acid is mostly lacking. but i gotta say, there is something about the sound from ACID, wich i really like.

[Colonel Flashback]

i just dont like that it have to analyze the whole wav file before playing it up, ACID does that instantly.

right-click in the browser and batch-analyse...(though acid file import would be a very welcome addition)

just use the "tabs", at the far bottom right, to switch to the different views.

or use F12 or CTRL+tab or assign one of these shortcuts to a mouse button

and press F11 to get more screen estate!

[sgx]

I personally use Acid Pro 5 as my rewire host and slave Reason and Project5 into it. Acid makes it so easy for me to write a drumline or synth pattern in Reason or P5 then bounce it straight to a loop and straight into the project extremely quickly. Then I can arrange and manipulate the loop how I like. I do a lot of chopping, splitting, reversing and mangling of audio with Acid.

I'm getting a bit tired of sequencing between three different apps (P5 for vsti's since Acid's midi sucks, Reason for Reason stuff, and then Acid for audio manipulation and any vst effects). Not to mention increased CPU usage having 3 apps open at once. P5 can do some very Acid-like loop arrangement, but I don't find it nearly as good for the in-depth audio mangling and you can't bounce specific loops to track, just the WHOLE track . I'm currently trying out the Live5 demo because I hear it's very Acid-like with audio, midi editing is ok, and it works great with Reason (my main goto for my synths).

For me, Acid is quite amazing for one thing - the audio manipulation so it's been a great tool for that, but the rest is pretty weak.

[Stupid American Pig]

ACID IS TEH SUXXOR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!














well actually SONY is TEH SUXXOR, so acid loses out on my bizness.

[steffensen]

with the tips ive got in this thread, im getting to like Live 5 more n more right now. its beginning to feel like i actually /could/ move in here.

it wouldnt hurt to spice up the gfx some tho.
its bad for my eyes atm.
still goin thru the color schemes tho..

[steffensen]

and yea, SONY really went APPLE over sonic foundry imo.

one of the reasons til why im still at SF v7.

[nlamartina]

I'm actually glad Sony bought SoFo. They have more resources available now than SoFo would have had in a decade, I think. Additionally, Sony's massive multimedia hardware line has given them the Apple-like advantage of having end-to-end solutions. That, and much of the staff is the same, so it's still a lot of the same talented people creating the software.

I won't debate about some of the stuff that's been brought up in this thread concerning usability. I tried that many years ago, and it's truly pointless, because it's hard to change people's minds about software they've loved or hated over years because of one good or bad experience.

I'll say this though: Acid 5 has come a long way from ye-olde-loop-sequencer. It's become much more well-rounded, and while it's been slow, it's branching out into the direction of MIDI sequencing that's making it one of the most robust (and still easiest) programs out there. It's got loop sequencing, FX support, instrument support, and ReWire support. That gives you a lot to do. The methodology doesn't fit everyone. Nor should it. The point is that it works for a lot of people that are very talented and creative, and if you're unwilling to try it because it's owned by Sony, or because it's different from what you're used to, or because someone simply told you in passing that it sucked, then you're a fool. As mentioned by others, try the demo and work with it, because if haven't looked at it for a few years, you might be surprised with what it's capable of now.

For example, you can work not just with small, simple VSTi synths. Because of its stability and feature-set, you can also work with gigantic, massive orchestral databases without ever leaving the program to render or host something:
http://www.lextechmedia.com/examples/Opening3.mp3

You can also use complicated setups to import your orchestrations from programs like Finale or Sibelius, and plug in both internal VSTi's and external synths, all while easily bouncing things down to track for the final output:
http://www.lextechmedia.com/examples/Title1e2.mp3

Finally, the program is still great at just throwing something together quickly in a few minutes, which is now helped by the incredibly useful Media Manager, which makes it much easier to find matching sounds without rooting around in directories for the right sound:
http://www.lextechmedia.com/examples/PostGameYouWin.mp3

So take a look at the program if you haven't seen it in a while, and again in the future when version 6 comes out. You'll definitely be surprised at what it can do.

[stag]

i just read in a interview with Trentemoller, my absolute favourite producer, that he uses ACID 5, wich kinda amzed me.

last time i tried that host, it was pretty laggy and well, it felt kinda limited and timeconsuming to work with. especially for midi and the likes..

i may be wrong tho!

can anyone help me to get straightened out on this matter please?

i am of course pretty interested now as Trentemoller is using it, shallow as i am.

im currently looking for a new host, even tho im still pleased in Logic 5, im working more n more with audio and feel that i need a little 'more', than Logic can offer me atm.

I have a brother in law, which works on TV as a Camera man, sometimes he does free lance stuff and as to pay to an engineer to mount his work, sometimes well, he does it himself.

The first time he showed me one of films mounted by himself, i told him well that´s okay, awesome maybe but have you done it on Acid??? "well, i have, how did you know???" and i replied: " you have all the music in sync, let me guess it´s all at 120bpm"
well that a bad use of Acid, probably it was invented to sync Audio and Video but damn DJ´s use it for other things.



I use SX and i like it a lot, i still take a look atevery ACID version that cames out and i like it a lot in spite of the awkward way of monitoring, but one thing i reckon of all Audio appz i´ve tried Sonic Foundry as the best summing of them all, not measured by some gizmo but my ears, ACID is the most Analog sounding of all DAW IMO, to bad it ain´t a proper monitoring like Vegas or SX, but about sound and for what is known best: looping, it´s hard to beat.

Bye.

[Cabinfever]

I'm actually glad Sony bought SoFo. They have more resources available now than SoFo would have had in a decade, I think. Additionally, Sony's massive multimedia hardware line has given them the Apple-like advantage of having end-to-end solutions. That, and much of the staff is the same, so it's still a lot of the same talented people creating the software.

I'll say this though: Acid 5 has come a long way from ye-olde-loop-sequencer. It's become much more well-rounded, and while it's been slow, it's branching out into the direction of MIDI sequencing.....


So take a look at the program if you haven't seen it in a while, and again in the future when version 6 comes out. You'll definitely be surprised at what it can do.

Is this guerilla marketing ? What a load of bollocks.

Especially: "It's branching out in the direction of MIDI sequencing".

Who are you trying to fool ? There were no MIDI enhancements worth mentioning between version 4 and version 5. MIDI in Acid is crap, and unless you work in Sony's marketing Department (quite possible given the propaganda tone of your post) then you know it.

[nlamartina]

Is this guerilla marketing ? What a load of bollocks.

Especially: "It's branching out in the direction of MIDI sequencing".

Who are you trying to fool ? There were no MIDI enhancements worth mentioning between version 4 and version 5. MIDI in Acid is crap, and unless you work in Sony's marketing Department (quite possible given the propaganda tone of your post) then you know it.

Wow, what an irrational post. You're a rather stern reminder of why I stopped posting on music forums a while ago. See, you're one of those people I was talking about. I like using Acid. The conversation had drifted toward usability and what it's capable of doing. I presented what I knew from experience. If you don't agree with that, fine. Frankly, I don't care. I've been using the program since its infancy, and I like it very much. I've tried other packages like Cubase, Pro Tools, Cakewalk, and Buzz, and Acid has been the only program I can get consistent, quick results with. That's me. Someone else may be like me, so I gave my opinion along with examples. If that offends you, too bad! If you disagree with that, okay, but don't give me this nonsense about "MIDI in Acid is crap." I wouldn't still be using the program if it was crap. So no, I don't "know it". If you've followed how Sofo/Sony's development cycles and how they add features and to what apps, it's not hard to conclude that they're slowly pushing Acid toward having more MIDI capabilities, because that's where its potential is. Marketing attempt? Pff! Whatever. I'm sorry that an informative, well-typed out post offended you so much. I'll try next time to make it short and stupid.

So be sure to straiten the tinfoil hat on your head. It's affecting your ability to think.

[Colonel Flashback]

guerilla marketing is definitely happening here sometimes so i wouldn't take it personally...
and Midi in Acid is crap

[John Vulich]

ambient soundscapes u say..
do u just import premade soundscapes and the likes into Live, or do u make them in there if i may ask?

I generally create my own loops in Live usually using Reaktor ensembles, heavily relying on the built-in patch randomization, or samples that I've mangled with granular synthesis. I also use other techniques like convolution processors but with sounds other than reverb. I then render the loops and edit them to crossfade properly using Sound Forge. Then I import them back into Live. I have a fairly powerful Centrino notebook but I still tend to prefer working with rendered loops than with live synths. I also make a lot of use of Live's follow actions to generate random snippets of melodies. And I always use TONS of delay on way too many parts.

The real gist of my compositional style is to make use of loops that don't really sync up with each other. I use this to create ever shifting melodies and environmental sounds. I believe that Steve Reich pioneered this style of composition and referred to it as "Phase Music" however my work is more inspired by artists like Alio Die, Oophoi and Vidna Obmana. Brian Eno also seems to have dabbled a bit in this technique with much of his Ambient work.

This technique really suites my style of music as I am far more interested in the character and mood of certain sounds than I am in melody. Ultimately I am creating somewhat self-generating processes that play out over a potentially long period of time without ever repeating. Part of my enjoyment, in the process, is that there is always some element of surprise that I myself discover as the pieces unfold.

Where Live excels, for my style, is in it's ability to allow the creation of clip envelopes don't need to be the same length as the loops that they are attached too. This give plenty of opportunity for interesting cyclic modulation, of countless parameters. This can really add a lot of motion and animation to otherwise static sounds.