PLParEQ and Algorithmix EQs

[JonnySun 2.0]

Nuendo? Nobody seems here to have Cubase SX ..

FYI: I have also problems in CubaseSX3.11 with many clicks in audio. I hope they fix it. It's a good EQ.
No problems in Wavelab so far.

Let me guess: It's an INTEL?

[PeterL]

Nuendo? Nobody seems here to have Cubase SX ..

FYI: I have also problems in CubaseSX3.11 with many clicks in audio. I hope they fix it. It's a good EQ.
No problems in Wavelab so far.

Let me guess: It's an INTEL?

Yes, Intel.

[JonnySun 2.0]

I have an AMD Thunderbird 1400. It's not possible to test a GUI-version of these eqs. They are in permanent bypass-modus after inserting in a slot and cause a crash after a short time.

[PeterL]

I have an AMD Thunderbird 1400. It's not possible to test a GUI-version of these eqs. They are in permanent bypass-modus after inserting in a slot and cause a crash after a short time.

I have no problems with this new GUI-version PLParEQ3. I will stick with PLParEQ3 now (although 1 band less).

[ST54]

Have the same trouble when using more than 1 instance in a N3.11 session.
Running a Dual AMD 2Gig DAW XPSP1.
When inserting n°3 of the 3band it goes in bypass automaticly, an causing a crash after a while.
Must be some AMD thingy.....
Stevie

[omo]

In my opinion, all linear phase digital EQs on the market today are marketing hype driven products and do not deserve much attention at the moment. Linear EQs as we know them today all come at a great price - preringing artefacts, which, imho, outweight their linearity. I believe, you need to understand, to your own benefit, that linear filters available for you to purchase are not suitable for analog style, natural sounding equalization. These EQs are marketed as surgical filters with fenomenal transparency - that's exactly what they are not. Weiss EQ isn't good because of its linear mode. I'll give you an audio example, where you'll first hear dry signal, then a clip with a sharp cut of presumably unwanted frequency in phase warp mode and then the third clip in linear phase mode. I used 3-band version with quality set to 5. Listen for yourself and decide if this comparision between mentioned prducts is any worth. http://s62.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=09V7 ... HSC1F0HNE2 This might sound like exaggeration and abuse but I must say I often do such filtering but even at very moderate Q settings and boosts/cuts it all sums up at the end, eventualy natural feel a take had is destroyed and famous digital unnatural feel takes over.

Linear mode, as I have stated before, sucks like in any other linear phase EQ. Non-linear mode, however, is good sounding, but I think we should calm down a little and try to see how it compares to other non-linear EQs out there. I might post such a/b samples with URS eq's or some others if there's interest to dig a bit on a blind side and have fun game with our perception

[OMU]

Hi guys,

I just spent 2-3 hours comparing the PLParEQ with the two Algorithmix EQs LinearPhase Red and LinearPhase Orange.
What can I say, I'm blown away.
These three plugins are on a very high quality level, soundwise. These are mastering equalizers. The PLParEQ goes even beyond that because it has so many more filters available and all of them do sound very, very good. The differences between these three plugins are rather small, even between Red and Orange. Most of the differences were in the range of little differences of the values that needed to be dialed in to get a nearly identical sound on all of them. So I leave out all the small subtleties like "this one sounds a tiny bit more ..." and point out a few facts:
PLParEQ4 is FREEWARE while either of the Algorithmix EQs costs €1190 incl. VAT for EU residents. CPU usage is way higher on the Algorithmix EQs than on the PLParEQ4 when all EQs are on full quality settings. I wasn't able to dial in full quality on the Algorithmix Red EQ, this simply was too much for my tiny P4 @ 3.5GHz!!!
Make your own conclusions out of all this and don't forget to check it out for yourself! For me it's a clear thing what I want and I already have it. For free! And after lotsa bug fixes PLParEQ4 is rock solid here now. Thanx a lot RefinedAudiometrics!


Best wishes, FRitz

Please tell us something about your listening system (speakers) and about the music ( if it's the case) you useed for doing this test.
Thanks.

[Kingston]

Weiss EQ isn't good because of its linear mode.

Whoah. A massive-sized frog just jumped out of your mouth on to my table. (not hitting you, just the frog)

Weiss actually offers best of both worlds, sometimes referred to as optimum phase filtering. It has a near linear phase response, but with less pre-ringing. It's up to the designer to decide how much of linear and phase warp characteristics is used.

Weiss is pretty much the best in the world right now when it comes to that. Know also, that its standard linearphase mode sounds absolutely wonderful as well. Some of this can be attributed to its internal oversampling that probably runs a "tad" higher than what we have in native.



But then, it's 8 grand.

(note to reader, I haven't heard the thing, but I can't just ignore what a good half of worlds serious mastering engineers are saying)

[fritzman]

Hi guys,

I just spent 2-3 hours comparing the PLParEQ with the two Algorithmix EQs LinearPhase Red and LinearPhase Orange.
What can I say, I'm blown away.
These three plugins are on a very high quality level, soundwise. These are mastering equalizers. The PLParEQ goes even beyond that because it has so many more filters available and all of them do sound very, very good. The differences between these three plugins are rather small, even between Red and Orange. Most of the differences were in the range of little differences of the values that needed to be dialed in to get a nearly identical sound on all of them. So I leave out all the small subtleties like "this one sounds a tiny bit more ..." and point out a few facts:
PLParEQ4 is FREEWARE while either of the Algorithmix EQs costs €1190 incl. VAT for EU residents. CPU usage is way higher on the Algorithmix EQs than on the PLParEQ4 when all EQs are on full quality settings. I wasn't able to dial in full quality on the Algorithmix Red EQ, this simply was too much for my tiny P4 @ 3.5GHz!!!
Make your own conclusions out of all this and don't forget to check it out for yourself! For me it's a clear thing what I want and I already have it. For free! And after lotsa bug fixes PLParEQ4 is rock solid here now. Thanx a lot RefinedAudiometrics!


Best wishes, FRitz

Please tell us something about your listening system (speakers) and about the music ( if it's the case) you useed for doing this test.
Thanks.

Hi OMU,

I was listening on Samson Resolve 65a monitors and I was using various signals, drums, synths and a funky HipHop tune.


Best wishes, FRitz

[omo]

Kingston, frog didn't jump of my mouth. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The best EQ by Weiss are mk2 and dyn. Linear phase one isn't all that great because it still prerings. Sorry to tell you this. If you don't want to agree, fine. That's not the point of my post and I do not want to argue on this.

[omo]

Samson Resolve 65a are not to be called monitors. Not that you can't hear difference on them, off course.

[fritzman]

Samson Resolve 65a are not to be called monitors.

Ah yes. Sure. What?

[omo]

Well, you could call them speakers, unless you think they're any true along with the room they're in.

[fritzman]

Well, you could call them speakers, untill off course you think they're any true along with the room they're in.

Sorry, I don't get it. I don't care how you call my monitors/speakers, really. What's your point?

[Kingston]

Kingston, frog didn't jump of my mouth. I know exactly what I'm talking about. The best EQ by Weiss are mk2 and dyn. Linear phase one isn't all that great because it still prerings. Sorry to tell you this. If you don't want to agree, fine. That's not the point of my post and I do not want to argue on this.

Don't get me wrong. I prefer phase warp over pre-ringing anyday. But linearphase does have its benefits. Maybe not so much in music, but research and scientific applications.