Sample whatever you want!

[whyterabbyt]

I say 'f**k it' but then I'm deep like that.

Trollope!

[soulkraka]

And you think "Hey. I wish someone had wanrned me about that. Oh no wait, they did, but I didnt care because I wasnt 'on the radar'"

uhhh ya...ok lemme just call up quincy jones real quick and tell him Im going to chop up the billy jean beat...not.

Im just gonna do it, it will sell 500 copies and that'll be the end of it.

and if I become a big enough name that my illicit billy jean sample comes back to haunt me? great! I'd be curious to see how much damage a judge/jury thinks MJ/QJ incurred because of a track I produced back in the day that sold 500 copies on a now defunct record label.

[whyterabbyt]

uhhh ya...ok lemme just call up quincy jones real quick and tell him Im going to chop up the billy jean beat...not.

Im just gonna do it, it will sell 500 copies and that'll be the end of it.

You hope...

[soulkraka]

uhhh ya...ok lemme just call up quincy jones real quick and tell him Im going to chop up the billy jean beat...not.

Im just gonna do it, it will sell 500 copies and that'll be the end of it.

You hope...

no, I hypothesize.

[P.T.]

Ther is no reason or point in sueing unles you are making money or are causing the original artist/company to lose money. Just the fact of your using a sample and posting your music on the web isn't worth sueing over.

[whyterabbyt]

Ther is no reason or point in sueing unles you are making money or are causing the original artist/company to lose money. Just the fact of your using a sample and posting your music on the web isn't worth sueing over.

Have you not noticed that the RIAA are suing ordinary people left right and centre for sharing MP3's on the grounds that they're causing 'the original artist/company to lose money' ?

Thats not a hypothesis.

[orangenut]

Interesting - Looking at it from the other side, just how many of you have tried and succeeded to get a sample cleared from one of the big publishing names?

I'm talking about Lucasarts, MGM, Paramount those people - I doubt they even have an address you can contact them on.

If you know otherwise then please tell - I'd love to know what the score is to get something properly cleared, do they have a standard fee, online application form what??

My take on this is use the samples in the promos, if the record company can clear them then we'll keep them in the final release, if not drag some slapper in off the street and tell em to read a few lines for a pint of beer or something...

[clueless]

A while ago, I asked my old band's 'leader' to identify a breaks sample he'd given me, and for some advice about clearing it:

Can't remember. Will try and locate original source. What you gonna clear
it for anyway??? Are you planning to release it yourself? Send it and a
couple of other tunes to a few little labels, If they're interested and
feel the sample needs to be cleared they'll do it for ya. Put it this way,
I've never been caught, I've had tracks on radio, tv ads etc all with blatant
samples on and there was never any questions....You can take a chance, if
the track was suddenly gonna take off, maybe raise the issue then. You could
get it put out as a white label bootleg, get it sent to DJs and see if the
track builds that way...I personally don't think you need worry 'bout clearing
at this stage, if at all.

*edit* 'interestingly', he's now a standup comedian...

[soulkraka]

Have you not noticed that the RIAA are suing ordinary people left right and centre for sharing MP3's on the grounds that they're causing 'the original artist/company to lose money' ?

Thats not a hypothesis.

How do you equate the RIAA suing MP3 downloaders with copyright holders suing musicians for copyright infraction?

Seems like an entirely different issue to me.

[soulkraka]

A while ago, I asked my old band's 'leader' to identify a breaks sample he'd given me, and for some advice about clearing it:

Can't remember. Will try and locate original source. What you gonna clear
it for anyway??? Are you planning to release it yourself? Send it and a
couple of other tunes to a few little labels, If they're interested and
feel the sample needs to be cleared they'll do it for ya. Put it this way,
I've never been caught, I've had tracks on radio, tv ads etc all with blatant
samples on and there was never any questions....You can take a chance, if
the track was suddenly gonna take off, maybe raise the issue then. You could
get it put out as a white label bootleg, get it sent to DJs and see if the
track builds that way...I personally don't think you need worry 'bout clearing
at this stage, if at all.

*edit* 'interestingly', he's now a standup comedian...

It would be even more interesting if the reason he gave up music was because he got sued, but I suspect that isnt what happened right?

[JamminFool]

so if you can get away with something, that makes it ok?

[clueless]

A while ago, I asked my old band's 'leader' to identify a breaks sample he'd given me, and for some advice about clearing it:

Can't remember. Will try and locate original source. What you gonna clear
it for anyway??? Are you planning to release it yourself? Send it and a
couple of other tunes to a few little labels, If they're interested and
feel the sample needs to be cleared they'll do it for ya. Put it this way,
I've never been caught, I've had tracks on radio, tv ads etc all with blatant
samples on and there was never any questions....You can take a chance, if
the track was suddenly gonna take off, maybe raise the issue then. You could
get it put out as a white label bootleg, get it sent to DJs and see if the
track builds that way...I personally don't think you need worry 'bout clearing
at this stage, if at all.

*edit* 'interestingly', he's now a standup comedian...

It would be even more interesting if the reason he gave up music was because he got sued, but I suspect that isnt what happened right?

He just decided it was too much hassle, and went back to DJing. He still does music for TV occasionally.

[slerbo]

I paid $500 (I was broke too) to a US mega publisher better known for books, for clearance of a 50 years dead poet reading his own works, which I wrote alot of tracks around - but they made the 'use by date' so close that it lapsed by the time I could have used the clearance (around now).
The guy who set it all up has left the company, the recordings are still in copyright but if I had to do it now, I would just wing and not waste my time UNLESS I was actually signed to a 'proper' label! You have to use common sense though, EVERYONE knows the billy jean beat...but on a white label? Doesn't matter too much if it's a small run or you got famous and also tend to be exceedingly unlucky.

[clueless]

so if you can get away with something, that makes it ok?

neither i nor he said that.

[whyterabbyt]

How do you equate the RIAA suing MP3 downloaders with copyright holders suing musicians for copyright infraction?

Seems like an entirely different issue to me.

Im not 'equating' them. I'm using their actions to illustrate that they will, and do, take action against people who are not making any money from redistribution. And by the way its the same set of copyright holders.

So your premise about 'oh such and such is under the radar' is flawed.

Y'know; pointing out that if a group of copyright holders are suing people who redistribute their copyrighted works without permission but make no profit from it, then telling a different group of people that they'll probably be perfectly safe if they redistribute part of the copyrighted works of the same set of copyright holders without permission as long as they dont make a significant enough profit from it, is an unduly optimistic 'hypothesis'.