Sample whatever you want!

[whyterabbyt]

do you know what else he got?

honored as one of GQ Magazine’s ‘Men of the Year’
named “Eccentric Genius of the Year” by SPIN
hailed as "The Hottest Hip-Hop Producer in the World" by NME
honored with Entertainment Weekly’s Album of the Year
added to QMagazine’s "Industry's 100 Most Influential People" list.

So? How exactly is that relevant? Is it your contention that everyone who gets a cease-and-desist winds up successful and famous?

and if he had listened to you he'd still be broke, working at a record store, and playing the grey album for his friends.

His claim has always been that he only ever intended The Grey Album to be heard by those friends.

But perhaps if he'd 'listened to me' as you put it, he'd just have done a different album using cleared and bought samples and had exactly the same success.


Although I wonder, was it just his choice of material that got him the accolades, rather than any intrinsic talent?

Or perhaps he'd have done it anyway, but just been slightly more aware that there was some existant chance that he'd run into legal issues?

Now he's in The Gorillaz.

Wow! That proves your entire argument. Now I see the error of my ways. Thank you 'raka' for that compelling revelation.

[Stupid American Pig]

If you dont use Samples, there really is nothing to worry about, except for the assorted derranged individual that swears you telapathically stole his ideas.

[soulkraka]

hey whyte...you can dissect my statements all you want here (analyzing my use of the word "pal"...are you that anal?) and continue to put words in my mouth but the bottom line is that we are the sum of our experiences. My experiences have shown me what I can and cant get away with in the music industry TODAY. The proof is in the pudding as they say. Youve proved jack shit. Ive backed up my statements.

Heres more proof: I recently did a remix for Dilated Peoples. The song is called NVA and it came out last year on Avatar records....lo and behold its contains an illicit sample. Nobody got sued. Anyone here with even a cursory knowledge of hip hop will tell you that Dilated Peoples are quite well known, at least in the US and Japan.

So, lets talk about you whyte. No dissection. What has life shown you?

[soulkraka]

do you know what else he got?

honored as one of GQ Magazine’s ‘Men of the Year’
named “Eccentric Genius of the Year” by SPIN
hailed as "The Hottest Hip-Hop Producer in the World" by NME
honored with Entertainment Weekly’s Album of the Year
added to QMagazine’s "Industry's 100 Most Influential People" list.

So? How exactly is that relevant? Is it your contention that everyone who gets a cease-and-desist winds up successful and famous?

and if he had listened to you he'd still be broke, working at a record store, and playing the grey album for his friends.

His claim has always been that he only ever intended The Grey Album to be heard by those friends.

But perhaps if he'd 'listened to me' as you put it, he'd just have done a different album using cleared and bought samples and had exactly the same success.


Although I wonder, was it just his choice of material that got him the accolades, rather than any intrinsic talent?

Or perhaps he'd have done it anyway, but just been slightly more aware that there was some existant chance that he'd run into legal issues?

Now he's in The Gorillaz.

Wow! That proves your entire argument. Now I see the error of my ways. Thank you 'raka' for that compelling revelation.

Im sorry but you just take things so far out of context that I'd rather not even bother.

[djsubject]

get real peeps, over here in the uk you can sell a few thousend records as a pre release/promo & not pay shit to the orignal owner of the sample (you may need to chainge the name of the promo every 500 records or so though)
if it gose big then realy you would need the orignal owner of the sample, or a big lable to give you a deal
8000 sales in one week might get you in the top 40 of the charts,
so no real need to worry about what you do unless you are big

Can you give a factual basis for these assertions, or is it just what you heard from a friend of a friend?

well our distrubition compony that put our stuff out in the usa & canada & the UK (hmv vergin tower records) did it all the time (not with my tracks but with others)

its mainly a D&B distro compony in the UK owned by a verry big name in the D&B indostry (thay have been there since day one)

you like to make a lot of asumptions dont ya rabbyt?


maby its no wonder that i have to asume things about you that are probly incorrect

in short. prove me incorrect or hush

[whyterabbyt]

hey whyte...you can dissect my statements all you want here (analyzing my use of the word "pal"...are you that anal?)

You were the one asked if you were coming across as overly emotional. If you want to ask a question dont be so crass as to complain about the mechanisms of the asnwer.

and continue to put words in my mouth but the bottom line is that we are the sum of our experiences. My experiences have shown me what I can and cant get away with in the music industry TODAY. The proof is in the pudding as they say.

No you've not proved what you 'can and cant' get away with. There's a marked difference between that and what 'some people have and havent got away with'. Your failure to accept that is not my problem.

Youve proved jack shit.

Actually Ive proved that what you've said amounts to 'jack shit'.

Ive backed up my statements.

No you havent. Anecdotes of people who 'got away with it' are not, and never will be proof that 'everyone gets away with it'. No matter how much you stamp your foot.

Heres more proof:

I dont think you actually know what the word 'proof' means.

I recently did a remix for Dilated Peoples. The song is called NVA and it came out last year on Avatar records....lo and behold its contains an illicit sample. Nobody got sued. Anyone here with even a cursory knowledge of hip hop will tell you that Dilated Peoples are quite well known, at least in the US and Japan.

More irrelevance. That proves absolutely nothing.

So, lets talk you whyte. No dissection. What has life shown you?

That some people have no idea what the difference between anecdote and concrete proof is.


And that some people will get more and more irate when you point out that what they're claiming isn't actually supported by the facts or by logic.

I notice you've conveniently ignored vurt's post which blows big f**king holes in your entire 'it wont happen to anyone at KVR' theory. No surprises there.

And that there are 'underground artists' who have had legal issues after using uncleared samples. Like Negativland, the JAMMS, Dangermouse.

But I guess its easier for you to ignore anything which might contradict your speculative claim than to actually deal with it in any real sense. So what's your next hand-waving exercise in avoiding the point?

[whyterabbyt]

well our distrubition compony that put our stuff out in the usa & canada & the UK (hmv vergin tower records) did it all the time (not with my tracks but with others)

The distribution company? Im confused, what do they have to do with clearing samples?

you like to make a lot of asumptions dont ya rabbyt?

No, actually. I like to make as few as possible, which is why I asked a question rather than making a statement. Thats what questions are; a search for further knowledge in lieu of making the assumption that one already has that knowledge.

maby its no wonder that i have to asume things about you that are probly incorrect

Well thats why I'm actually asking questions, and you're making all the assumptions.

in short. prove me incorrect or hush

Actually, the burden of proof is on you. You made the claim, you get to prove it.

[whyterabbyt]

Im sorry but you just take things so far out of context that I'd rather not even bother.

Actually, you took it away from the original context, as a diversion from the fact that it undermined your original argument.

Here's the context as it was

You said 'underground artists never have problems with sample clearance; look at DJ Shadow'.

I said 'mentioning DJ Shadow does not constitute proof that it never happens; here is an example wher it has happened'

...and then you start wibbling about something irrelevant which I responded to as an aside.

The fact still remains that your mention of DJ Shadow did not prove your claim, but the Grey Album case does disprove it. End of story, and all your petulance and handwaving in the world doesnt change that.

[djsubject]

what did i claim?

read my post again

[vurt]

anyway i guess its boils down to yep you may get away with it,but if you dont you have no legal leg to stand on
it doesnt matter if you think it shouldnt matter cos your only a bedroom producer what does matter is the law is on the side of the copyright holder.
by all means go ahead and sample starwars or the matrix or whatever but if you do get caught,and beleive me it can happen,then you may get shafted is it worth it?

[djsubject]

over here in the uk you can sell a few thousend records as a pre release/promo & not pay shit to the orignal owner of the sample (you may need to chainge the name of the promo every 500 records or so though)

did you mean that claim?

no where in there do i mention legal stuff

i just said what you CAN get away with!!!

if your that consirned about this stuff you wouldent be using samples any way

this post was aimed at home music makers (AFAIKT)


stop bitching for the sake of it! mr E-MU1820m with 1.2 drivers runs fine using emulator x

[whyterabbyt]

what did i claim?

Do you have memory retention issues?

This is what you claimed:

get real peeps, over here in the uk you can sell a few thousend records as a pre release/promo & not pay shit to the orignal owner of the sample (you may need to chainge the name of the promo every 500 records or so though)
if it gose big then realy you would need the orignal owner of the sample, or a big lable to give you a deal
8000 sales in one week might get you in the top 40 of the charts,
so no real need to worry about what you do unless you are big

I even quoted it so you wouldnt have problems remembering it. Have you forgotten it already; that is a shame.

Read your post again.

read my post again

Still doesnt change anything no matter how many times you read it.

[soulkraka]

did vurt get sued? nope. Did dangermouse get sued? nope. In my original post I said "sued", not legal implications, which is much more general.

why do you keep insisting that im getting emotional, or that Im irate? To me it seems to be the opposite. Maybe its normal for you to get all hot and bothered while posting on forums. Arent you one of the drama queens that threatened to leave KVR a while back ?

[vurt]

did vurt get sued? nope. Did dangermouse get sued? nope. In my original post I said "sued", not legal implications, which is much more general.

no but vurt would have got sued had he not removed the offending track from his site

[CypherOne]

yay!