Sample whatever you want!

[CypherOne]

there is a remote possiblity that James Brown may knock on your door

how cool would that be? Apart from he looks a bit like my nan, when she was alive of course...

[Spe3D]

One of the biggest form of copyright theft is the SuperDJ using others work and calling it their own compilation.

I agree.

But hey, look at someone like Todd Terry. When he released a compilation on ministry of sound almost all the tracks were his! He's not exactly a "superdj" now but he was one for over 10 years and is an absolute legend in the house music community. He can rock the house by spinning only his own material.

Yep! I made a generalized statement about DJ’s – so it kind of blended in well with the original post

You know you are referring to copying others work – samplerling the music directly and pasting it into their own re-hash – without the original artists knowledge or consent – my point of view is not if its legal or not – its more – why? Why not get the ok first from the fellow artists?

But hey! The term money n fame is what the thread seems more interested in. will you get your bottom spanked or not – and if so how much will it cost – if at all.

Not hey f**k my fellow artists – you created, I just copy it and distribute it as my own till you find out – then hey! Who cares I will be rich n famous – is that right? Well you reckon its ok, so it must be.

It seems more of a dog eat dog ideology you got going, that’s all

Best regards,

Peter

[whyterabbyt]

th your barbies, Chase.

You're so c**ting petty sometimes [/quote]

Yeah, so what. You're an puerile arsehole almost all of the time.

He pointed out that one case can not be used to generalize, and you responded by pretty much saying the same thing. That's all i pointed out.

I see you havent really managed to keep track of what's going on. That doesnt surprise me at all. Firstly, he spent a lot of time effectively denying that his was a 'generalisation' in the first place, or that there might be exceptions to what he was saying. Later on when there are exceptions he discounts them anyway, so he can still say 'oh no-one was sued. In fact I spent most of my time pointing out that what he said was only a generalisation. But that would be a bit too subtle for you.

Now go on; state exactly what generalisations I was making. By the way "You cannot assume that X will not happen" isnt a generalisation. Nor is 'here is an example which proves that what you are saying is merely a generalisation'.

In the meantime, I would prefer people who might not know any better were aware that there might be issues with doing a particular thing, than sweep it under the carpet with some sweeping statements that ignores the harsh realities of the way these things are changing right now.

The f**king thread was started by someone who said 'hey no need to keep discussing copyright law, because its all this simple'. Except its not, and they seem to have something invested in not being completely realistic about it to the point where they were still insisting there were no exceptions. And then it went from 'hey you wont get sued' to 'well what I said doesnt include other kinds of legal action so Im still right', and 'hey, it didnt happen to my mate, so thats proof it'll never happen to you'. Not quite as simple as originally made out. And by then you should pretty muchhave got the idea, that hey no, its not that simple after all, and maybe the discussions of copyright are worthwhile, since 'noone will get sued' seems to translate into 'noone I know has been sued, but you might get a cease-and-desist'.

Dont know why some people just want to close there eyes and pretend 'it'll never happen to me'. Much less why they'd tell other people 'it'll never happen to you'. I suspect the refusal to accept someone positing that there's an increasng amount of 'risk' is actually that they think they're being told 'dont do this thing', rather than 'if you're going to do this thing be aware that there is still some possibility you'll wind up with problems because of it'. But hey, once you've put yourself in the position of being an authority on what you can and can't do, some people want to defend that to the death.

I just dont see any point in telling people that they're guaranteed safe. Because that's not necessarily true.

But you go on believeing it, and telling people. But in that hypothetical situation where someone you knows gets done for following your 'its all okay' advice, I bet you you're the first f**king Pontius Pilate on the block.

P.T. was EXACTLY right about your quoting system.

Oh Im wounded. Go play in the traffic.

[abi]

wow, guys what a thread. couldn´t stand to read the last 2 pages. i don´t know why you people can´t accept that there may be different opinions on a matter. "opinions" the rabbit will say, it´s not about opinions but about statements, arguments and logics. what the fcuk? feeling like i´m in a rhetorics seminar when i read rabbits posts. although he may be write in what he´s saying about soulkraka not following the rules of logic in his statements. but really rabbit, are you ok? you make the impression that you´re somehow sad because people don´t realise what genius you are. but well, you´ve prooved...
i´m in favour of a introducing a rhetorics test for everyone who wants to join kvr.

on the matter:
i think you shouldn´t bother when sampling as long as you´re not "big".

[soulkraka]

although he may be write in what he´s saying about soulkraka not following the rules of logic in his statements.

and whytes logic would have you believe that a cease and desist letter and a lawsuit are one and the same. Do you agree?

I wonder what vurt would have rather recieved? A court order or C and D letter? If they are the same then I guess it wouldnt matter.

[soulkraka]

Not hey fcuk my fellow artists – you created, I just copy it and distribute it as my own till you find out – then hey! Who cares I will be rich n famous – is that right? Well you reckon its ok, so it must be.

It seems more of a dog eat dog ideology you got going, that’s all

Best regards,

Peter

sorry you feel that way speed..and sorry that you see me in that light. Did you read my post about my sampling methods? taking a drum hit from here, another one from there, sampling a shakuhachi note from an old record and playing my own melody etc etc.

Do you really feel thats copying it and distributing it as my own?

[Spe3D]

Not hey fcuk my fellow artists – you created, I just copy it and distribute it as my own till you find out – then hey! Who cares I will be rich n famous – is that right? Well you reckon its ok, so it must be.

It seems more of a dog eat dog ideology you got going, that’s all

Best regards,

Peter

sorry you feel that way speed..and sorry that you see me in that light. Did you read my post about my sampling methods? taking a drum hit from here, another one from there, sampling a shakuhachi note from an old record and playing my own melody etc etc.

Do you really feel thats copying it and distributing it as my own?

It all comes down to the source – where you get the samples from.

Bottom line is

Get the sounds from an original distributor – ie someone who samples the sounds directly from an original instrument/item – who gives you the ‘right’ to use these sounds in your music and performances.

This will give you the ‘peace of mind’ that a, you are using an original sound and b, not cashing in at someone else’s expense.

I refer to DJ’s as they sample swathes of music. whole tracks with a fade/in n fade/out (maybe playing slightly slower or faster) wow! There is a talent there anyhow, I don’t think you are in the right to make a statement that it is the right thing to do – the reason is you don’t know for sure on any of the legal aspects or even the ethical ones.

Its simply down to the ‘individual’ to make up their own mind – ‘am I right to do this?’ each individuals situation is different – what they sample is different, the impact and effects from their actions can be entirely different – you are not an authority on this – therefore you cannot make a statement that could ‘drastically affect someone following your advice as a solid fact’

Probably why this thread is quite a few posts deep

Best regards,

Peter

[whyterabbyt]

and whytes logic would have you believe that a cease and desist letter and a lawsuit are one and the same. Do you agree?

No it wouldnt. But please feel free to run with this particular straw man.

[soulkraka]

so you actually do recognize that there is a difference between a C and D and a lawsuit then?

[whyterabbyt]

but really rabbit, are you ok? you make the impression that you´re somehow sad because people don´t realise what genius you are.

Hehehe. I like that.

But no. I do find it pretty amusing the way some people behave when someone points out that what they're saying is flawed, ie the personal attacks, and other stuff that soulkraka went for several times. Its actually hilarious how difficult some people find it to say 'hmmm, maybe what I said wasnt quite right'.

Of course, if Im wrong about my opinion, then someone following my 'stance' doesnt matter. If soulkraka is wrong, then someone following his could wind up f**ked.

That's sad.

Anyways, it doesnt really matter. Its more important to soulkraka to wiggle round with every little 'exception' and pointless prevarication like "well I said 'sue' not 'get a cease-and-desist letter'" than actually admit, that yes, people like you and me, on websites like this, producing music for audiences no larger than that, do actually have brushes with people who enforce the legality of uncleared samples.

Ive said what I think. Soulkraka has pretty much admitted himself that his first post doesnt actually reflect the reality of what might happen.

But in a sense, PT was right, in that I shouldnt really have got down to the level of addressing every dumb statement point by point. I should have just posted 'this statement is dangerous bullshit' and saved myself some time.

Thanks for listening!

[djsubject]

but really rabbit, are you ok? you make the impression that you´re somehow sad because people don´t realise what genius you are.

Hehehe. I like that.

But no. I do find it pretty amusing the way some people behave when someone points out that what they're saying is flawed, ie the personal attacks, and other stuff that soulkraka went for several times. Its actually hilarious how difficult some people find it to say 'hmmm, maybe what I said wasnt quite right'.

Of course, if Im wrong about my opinion, then someone following my 'stance' doesnt matter. If soulkraka is wrong, then someone following his could wind up f**ked.

That's sad.

Anyways, it doesnt really matter. Its more important to soulkraka to wiggle round with every little 'exception' and pointless prevarication like "well I said 'sue' not 'get a cease-and-desist letter'" than actually admit, that yes, people like you and me, on websites like this, producing music for audiences no larger than that, do actually have brushes with people who enforce the legality of uncleared samples.

Ive said what I think. Soulkraka has pretty much admitted himself that his first post doesnt actually reflect the reality of what might happen.

But in a sense, PT was right, in that I shouldnt really have got down to the level of addressing every dumb statement point by point. I should have just posted 'this statement is dangerous bullshit' and saved myself some time.

Thanks for listening!

intill i saw this post i thought you was just a troll

now i know your just stuborn

i saw your point (not that you give a shit) just you went about it incorrectly (like you allready admitted)

its a shame you dont give a shit about my emu1820 working propley

i would still try & help you if i could!

still, i hope you had fun taking on everbody in a patronisation match in this thread

PS, my IQ: is 149

not that that means shit IMO

Subz

[whyterabbyt]

its a shame you dont give a shit about my emu1820 working propley

Well thats not really true, that was just me being childish about it same way as I thought you were. Didnt realise you were still having problems, I thought you'd got things going okay with 1.81 or whatever...

[soulkraka]

I do find it pretty amusing the way some people behave when someone points out that what they're saying is flawed, ie the personal attacks, and other stuff that soulkraka went for several times.

well, what can I say. you rub me the wrong way, and have for some time, so it got a bit personal. Apparently chase rubs YOU the wrong way which is why YOU personally attcked him.

Its actually hilarious how difficult some people find it to say 'hmmm, maybe what I said wasnt quite right'.

Its actually hilarious how easy some people find it to place words in my mouth and claim victory.

Of course, if Im wrong about my opinion, then someone following my 'stance' doesnt matter. If soulkraka is wrong, then someone following his could wind up f**ked.

That's sad.

what would be even sadder is if someone actually followed the advice of someone they dont even know/trust, even though this person states clearly that this is their humble opinion and that they are not an authority on the subject.

cease-and-desist....riaa....negativeland....blah blah....

Im over it...onto the next party. shoganai.

[djsubject]

I thought you'd got things going okay with 1.81

yea its working well now (at long last) & i dont see any more lets rize up agenst E-MU threads so hopfully its stable for all now


funny thing is, after all that slaging off i did to ICHI from emu, we now talk quite often & get on really well

its a funny old place this internet

Subz

[original flipper]

HI

FWIW I know at least 2 D&B companies who have a reasonably prolific output of releases and an average sale might be closer to 8,000 copies - that is over a year and worldwide.

Not a massive amount but certainly enough to bring itself to the attention of a lot of people.

Another perspective is to use samples of vocalist's with the possibility of getting your production style recognised ... probably a limited edition.

I think much of the drive behind using vocal samples though is the fact that many people do not work with vocalist's and often in isolation - so there is no alternative but to sample a famous vocal or use a sample CD.

I would say that working with a half decent singer is MUCH more fun - it's about networking, get out and meet some local singer!

Flipper.