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Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 3:48 pm

Chase wrote:Seriously though, why doesnt propellerheads give Reason VST compatability? The guy who made mealstrom (and microtonic, FYI) said because it would risk stability, but there are a dozen great hosts that use VST and are very stable...

I know many who absolutely love the reason interface but have to dish out more money for a host to use VST's, and even then they are using the awkward rewire...

If they gave reason another unit that is simply a DX/VST/AU mapper with all the CC's to be easily accessed and linked to like int he thread starter's idea, it would put reason right up there with all the top hosts, methinks.

If propz want to sell a quality, enclosed host they should include more than twice what they have now, imo...

Exactly!

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:08 pm

caoxiang wrote:http://airrack.maizesoft.cn/

Hmm, but does it have a built in sequencer? Its all in chinese!!

Thanks for all your imput guys, and girls!

original flipper · Post by **original flipper** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 4:28 pm

HI

I can't understand why people bemoan Propellerheads decision to provide possibly the most stable 'all in one' music making solution avilable - simply because they don't want op be just another host development house?

Have peoples memories suddenly taken a backward step or do not 1,000's of people weekly post here about a multitude of never ending bug's, conflicts and compatability issues when running vsti's in goodness knows what host?

What company would want to get involved in that madness?

I think the Prop's are up on the game - those who use Reason probably are as well.

I honestly believe that in some way Reason is liberating and probably would be a good tonic for people who cannot stop buying software when actually they say 'they' are producers or composers - yet spen half their life here moaning about something or another (me included).

Flipper.

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:13 pm

caoxiang wrote:http://airrack.maizesoft.cn/

Cool, thanks! I mailed them a link to this thread.

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 5:18 pm

original flipper wrote:HI

I can't understand why people bemoan Propellerheads decision to provide possibly the most stable 'all in one' music making solution avilable - simply because they don't want op be just another host development house?

Have peoples memories suddenly taken a backward step or do not 1,000's of people weekly post here about a multitude of never ending bug's, conflicts and compatability issues when running vsti's in goodness knows what host?

What company would want to get involved in that madness?

I think the Prop's are up on the game - those who use Reason probably are as well.

I honestly believe that in some way Reason is liberating and probably would be a good tonic for people who cannot stop buying software when actually they say 'they' are producers or composers - yet spen half their life here moaning about something or another (me included).

Flipper.

Yes, I see your point. They maybe should relese the code for third party vst developers, so they could make a reason version of their plugs. What you think about that?

GypsyJazz · Post by **GypsyJazz** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:25 pm

sQeetz wrote: of course! what else do you expect?
some kind of reversed reversed sarcasm or something?
i absolutely like the way reason shows a knob is being automated by simply just outlining the knob with a green box. that looks great, & also is highly functional.

When a knob is Automated in FL Studio,it moves!
What could be better than that?
I thought the green outlines on knobs in
Reason looked really amateurish and dated.

I admit that the FL Studio is better post was a bit troll like....but it is actually my honest opinion.
I really do believe it is the better program.

Just goes to show the diversity of human response eh?

GypsyJazz · Post by **GypsyJazz** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:29 pm

Sleepwalker wrote: I can do realy creative stuf with it FAST, thats why.

well...that's interesting, because I found it much
quicker to turn the patch cords off and just use the context menu to connect things.
Not that I used it for very long.
I found Reason very limited in it's approach and
decided to go with FL Studio instead.

Different strokes for different folks.

sQeetz · Post by **sQeetz** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:31 pm

oops. actually i just really dislike reason. it's the most awkward program to make music with imo. this green boxes that show a knob being automated look awful.
guess it was the "reversed reversed sarcasm" that made my point somehow hmm.... reversed.

i'm a long-time FL user btw.

& can't wait for FL6. so.....

GypsyJazz · Post by **GypsyJazz** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 9:34 pm

Sleepwalker wrote: Thats greatn all, but im on mac, FL is pc only. Liked it when I had a pc, but that must be version 1.0, in the windows 98 days..

Well the decision to go MAC basically cut you out of
the loop with about 80% of available music software.

MACS are great if you have the $ and 99% of the time
they just work, but the availability of software is
extremely limited compared to PCS.
That's not even mentioning the speed difference between
MACS & PCs....

It could all change when they go over to the darkside
next year (Intel)

xylyx · Post by **xylyx** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:04 pm

GypsyJazz wrote:
Sleepwalker wrote: I can do realy creative stuf with it FAST, thats why.
well...that's interesting, because I found it much
quicker to turn the patch cords off and just use the context menu to connect things.
Not that I used it for very long.
I found Reason very limited in it's approach and
decided to go with FL Studio instead.

Different strokes for different folks.

But by turning off the patch cords, you lost a lot of the flexibility that Reason has to offer. The most interesting stuff happens in Reason when you wire things up differently to the default wiring schemes.

The only thing that has stopped me from buying Reason is the sequencer...I think it is very weak and lacking even some of the basic things that a sequencer should have. If they sort out this aspect and add some more synth value to the package in the next upgrade, then there is a good chance that I will buy it.

GypsyJazz · Post by **GypsyJazz** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:17 pm

xylyx wrote: But by turning off the patch cords, you lost a lot of the flexibility that Reason has to offer. The most interesting stuff happens in Reason when you wire things up differently to the default wiring schemes.

Huh?

Maybe you haven't tried the context menu ?

It has exactly the same connections as you can do with patch cords....the just appear in a menu instead.

Right click on an input/output and connect to any other
input/output in any module in the rack.

xylyx · Post by **xylyx** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:33 pm

Ah! You meant the context menu on the rear view...sorry, I just misinterpreted what you were saying and assumed you meant on the front view...

The context menu is good for when you have a large rack, as it saves scrolling, but if the machines are closer together, I found it easier to move the cables themselves...

GypsyJazz · Post by **GypsyJazz** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:38 pm

xylyx wrote:Ah! You meant the context menu on the rear view...sorry, I just misinterpreted what you were saying and assumed you meant on the front view...

Oh OK...no worries.....

The context menu is good for when you have a large rack, as it saves scrolling, but if the machines are closer together, I found it easier to move the cables themselves...

Ah yes! I'd forgotten about my other bugbear
with Reason...The Rack!
So painfully slow having to scroll up and down to get to something.
I've only used Reason 2.5, did they do anything to
improve that in v3?

Sleepwalker · Post by **Sleepwalker** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:49 pm

GypsyJazz wrote:
Sleepwalker wrote: Thats greatn all, but im on mac, FL is pc only. Liked it when I had a pc, but that must be version 1.0, in the windows 98 days..
Well the decision to go MAC basically cut you out of
the loop with about 80% of available music software.

MACS are great if you have the $ and 99% of the time
they just work, but the availability of software is
extremely limited compared to PCS.
That's not even mentioning the speed difference between
MACS & PCs....

It could all change when they go over to the darkside
next year (Intel)

OT!

Funny you mention that! I bought a new PC you see, in august, and it still aint running everything configured and working as I like. It would take me 5 minutes to get everything up and running, with drivers, conections to gear, and everything with a mac straight out of the box. Windows sucks right out of the box!! Last mac been stable with no problem what so ever for four years. And ive pushed it hard, on the road many times, etc. One usb port is broke, cdrom is broke, screen broke!!! (got a new for free) and battery is tired. Thank god its titan! (powerbook) despite this hardcore use, system is perfect, never failed.. Only did a defrag once in this life span. You cant beat that on XP without being a geek! I have to reinstal my system on the pc already, and I havent even started working on it! (Im not working on a system before its fit for fight, and rock solid)

So im selling it now, and going back to mac. (yup, been gettn some money honey

) Figure out that id rather have the whole package, then a faster cpu, with a fragile system, that I cant fully suport alone, or even bother to put time into. For that time spent, I could be working instead and earnd enough cash for a new mac!!

Heres my history:

amiga-atari-macOS7-pcW98-macOSX-pcXP- and now osx again!!!

>Well the decision to go MAC basically cut you out of
>the loop with about 80% of available music software.

Well 90% of that is crap anyway. And 90% of the GOOD stuf, you get to mac. Little bit dificoult to get cracks, though. But I dont care much for that, exept for demoing stuf. I usualy buy software.

Im not a mac fanatic, I just like paying for something that works good. Maybe im going back to windows, if Vista turns out to be good. But I have my doubts. Looks good on pictures, though!

Lunch Money · Post by **Lunch Money** » Sat Nov 19, 2005 10:59 pm

<shrug>

I dunno about people with these difficult XP systems. I've been using Windows XP since it came out (pre-SP1) and it's never been a problem. Everything has worked out of the box that was XP-related. I've had one or two little problems along the way, but nothing that wasn't easily fixed, and nothing that could be traced back to XP itself.

A friend of mine was unlucky enough to get one of the thousands of shitty iBooks with battery and screen issues. Dead screens on a certain generation of iBooks was so common and well-known that it was practically an epidemic. Hardly proves that Mac always work out of the box and can always be depended on. Then his battery stopped holding a charge. Again, hardly dependable or reliable. I seem to remember the firewire external drive being a problem, too, but I wouldn' swear to it.

Does that mean that all Mac suck? Of course not! But they're certainly not the reliability champions that some people like to think they are.

Greg

Eureka! Host idea!