Masterverb 5

[Frippertronix]

the new Timeworks reverbs will soon be available as VST reverbs from IK multimedia, as the developer is now porting the algos for IK multimedia, lets hope it can achieve the sound quality of the scope plugs, as they seem to possibly replace a Lexicon PCM91. A user on plantz even said it would sound better than its PCM91 in hardware...



we will see, and this year.....

Wow, pretty exciting. Guess I'll wait for that one. thanks for the info.

dave

[tech44]

So far every software reverb I've tried (even AA) has sounded 'grainy' in the tail, if this makes sense, and it either to 'tinny' or to much highend in the tail (regardless of how I try to tune it).

hi tech 44,
if you set the density of our reverb to 100% there will be definately no "grainy" sound, not even on a very short, percussive impulse. also you have a cutoff and 3 seperate bands for the frequency roll off. if you want you can cut off all the high frequencies, resulting in no highend in the tail whatsoever.

Thanks..this definately helped reduced (nearly completely eliminated) the grainy-ness. Now I'm really torn as to which to get I will test the CSR and go from there.

[ew]

Anyone here try either the new or the old Sonic Timeworks reverbs?

I have a couple times. They sound great, but they're CPU killers (or at least they were when I tried them).

ew

[hifiboom]

Anyone here try either the new or the old Sonic Timeworks reverbs?

I have a couple times. They sound great, but they're CPU killers (or at least they were when I tried them).

ew

you have a creamware card?

or did you test the Timeworks 4080L vst reverb?

Timeworks did not develop the P-100 I-100 A-100, they just did the selling of this plug-in.

It was programmed by one single guy...
So these plu-ins are in another league.

This one does now develop the VST version of HIS plug-ins for IK multimedia....

So nobody should say: this plug-in is a IkMultimedia one and should be crap.

So these firms just do the selling of the plug-in.

I hope that the VST verion (CSR) does not suffer from bad internal effects, as the Scope system is based on atoms, which are at highest quality.

So while many synthedit synths and effects sound bad most Scope effects and synths sound very good due to these high quality atoms...

If they port these reverbs to VST they won`t have the Scope atoms on native environment and they will implement their own eqs and other structures.

I hope they won`t compromise in quality ....I don`t want to see another VST reverb with many knobs and a compromise i audioquality and I think actual CPUs have enough power to render an effect of the Lexicon or TC upper class.

At least the producer has a fine ear if he developed the reverbs for scope and they sound satisfing.
I`m sure he will tune the VST versions until he is satisfied with the sound quality...

He may also come out with further algos if this one does sell well at IK-M.

But one thing is sure, it will be very CPU hungry to achieve the same level of quality as the Scope version.

I read that one or two plug-in needs a single Pulsar card... ( 6DSPs )

I guess one instance will need 40% of an actual CPU ( P3,4Mhz or AMD 3500+).


If someone got a creamware card he could possible test the Timeworks reverb demos and make some demo mp3 for the users here. I would love to see some results...

[kilroy]

But one thing is sure, it will be very CPU hungry to achieve the same level of quality as the Scope version.

I'm afraid so...

I read that one or two plug-in needs a single Pulsar card... ( 6DSPs )

You would need four SHARCs to sustain the calculation cycles for one instantiation of the full blown Lex clone.

If someone got a creamware card he could possible test the Timeworks reverb demos and make some demo mp3 for the users here. I would love to see some results...

I could possibly lash something up for the Lex clones if anyone is curious.

[hifiboom]

I could possibly lash something up for the Lex clones if anyone is curious.

Please do it kilroy!!! I would be very thankful...

I can also host the samples on my homepage for the others to try out....

It would be really nice....

Kind regards...
hifiboom

[jmh]

High quality atoms...

That explains it then.

[pitchdrifter]

I prefer the quantum foam based models personally. No aliasing on these, and they use DSM(tm), as well.

[ew]

High quality atoms...

That explains it then.

Indeed... I wonder what would make them higher quality? Better electrons?

I can see the ad now "Our electrons are second to none, and the spin is unsurpassed". They'd technically be right, after all...


ew

[hifiboom]

aliasing is not a big problem with Scope cards. or is it? I only demoed this card for a few hours at the dealers shop. The overall sound quality of the tools is very good. But I do not own one...

From my point of view the overall quality of Scope FX and synths is much higher than VST equipment...

Some synths on Scope equal the hardware ones while no VST synth has the analog sound feeling, maybe TimeWArp2600, but the Scope Prophet is a killer synth and there are others that have excellent sound too.

[hifiboom]

High quality atoms...

That explains it then.

Indeed... I wonder what would make them higher quality? Better electrons?

I can see the ad now "Our electrons are second to none, and the spin is unmatched". They'd technically be right, after all...


ew

hey you get it totally wrong, I don`t speak about magic or electrons nor black holes...

The Scope system is just modular build on sound builder atoms to generate FX and synths...

So programming is a little easier. As you build your plugs from these atoms...

If you now replace these small atoms with badly coded sound atoms the resulting plug-in may not sound as good as the original scope based plug-in.

Thats all...

And the Scope sound atoms were build buy a large group of people that definitly know their buisness and need along time and much know how...

[pitchdrifter]

Hifiboom,

for the record, I was making a joke. Laugh now.

[jmh]

Hifiboom Indeed, we were just making lighthearted fun about the words used...

But now that I remember. The only real experience I've had with Creamware products is some time with Noah and the synths that come with it (that Minimoog clone and so on). After all the good stuff I had heard about their quality... let's just say that the unit must have been broken or the software bugged seriously. That Minimoog clone sounded horrible and contained every possible artifact associated with digital sound generation. Sweeping the filter with high resonance made me think whether the coders had even tested such settings.

Interestingly, we were at the time primarily checking out Virus KC, Nord Lead 3 and a few other things at the shop. It was a sweet break to my ears when I switched to the NL3. The difference was so big.

(And before any Creamware users retaliate, I'll emphasize again that this was the only piece of Creamware stuff I've encountered, and I'm not about to yell that their stuff sucks based on this little experience)

JMH

[hifiboom]

Hifiboom,

for the record, I was making a joke. Laugh now.

maybe my english is not good enough to get that joke....
But its the more funny right now for me...
hehee

first I though I used the wrong words to explain that atom-thing.

hehe

lets just take some of the included Scope synths, they just sound more fat than any other VST synth i`ve heard.


Prisma
http://www.amazona.de/content/musictool ... 20Bass.mp3

Uknow007
http://www.amazona.de/content/musictool ... %20Pad.mp3

Vectron
http://www.amazona.de/content/musictool ... %20Pad.mp3

most VST synths even cannot build up sounds with analog pressure in the bass department.
These Creamware snths do the trick.

I`m still considering to buy one of these cards, maybe they`ll be worth much more when the firm is totally insolvent.
But I am a little afraid of these DSP cards with PCI overflows etc.....

[greendoor]

Damn C/R - totally out of the question. I'm guessing that this serial number is unique to the particular PC hardware setup? So if you change anything, or upgrade to a new PC, you lose the use of this product? What is the point of buying software that you can't use long term? And what is the point in discouraging sales of your software? Right now, hackers are responding to the "challenge" part of this C/R scheme, so there is a small ray of hope that cracked versions might be avaialable as a backup for paying customers ...

I'm not sure I follow you. Each customer receives a serial number that allows a few registrations. You can put the plug-ins on your desktop and your laptop if you have one. If you change computers you can get another keycode. The official policy is that each single user is allowed three keycodes but I also routinely add more registrations for people when they switch machines, and I typically answer these kind of emails within an hour during business hours. The demo and full versions are one and the same so you don't have to re-download anything when you purchase the product, simply use your serial number to get an unlock at our Register page.

The way we used to to it, a serial number unlocked any copy of that particular plug-in. So a person could simply email a serial number to everyone they knew and they would be able to unlock our software. We tried to make it as easy as possible doing it like like this, but obviously you see how vulnerable this left us to piracy.

Thankfully, there are some vendors who make excellent reverb and treat their customers fairly.

Please ask any one of of our customers if they think they have been treated unfairly. I normally don't take issue with comments on forums like this but when we put forth the effort we do for customer support (and I routinely answer emails on weeknight and weekends) I find your comments to be the thing that is unfair here, as if you're trying to make us out to be the bad guys. In practice, there is no reason anyone won't be able to use something they bought from us long term no matter how many times they switch computers. If for some unforseen set of circumstances we can't physcially add more registrations to someone's serial number we will make sure you can continue to use the products by some means (whether that is unlimited registrations, or whatever).

The bottom line: if you like our reverb there is no reason our copy protection scheme should stop you from buying it.

Rob - thank you for replying. My rant wasn't intended to mean any disrepect. It was just frustration, because I hav no intention of trying your product due to this C/R issue.

You seem to be confirming my worst suspicion that this software is hardware specific, and if I purchased this, I would forever be dependant on you to provide new registration keys each time I change hardware. That is a situation I can't tolerate.

The short version: you don't trust me not to copy your software. You don't know me, and you don't know how passionate I am about protecting intellectual property. I want to make music - I don't want to be ripped off, and I don't want to rip anyone else off. What goes around comes around.

As much as I respect your good intentions, I have a trust issue, so I only want to buy products I can use with no strings attached.

Sorry I can't be your customer.