Amplitube 2 Jimi Hendrix RELEASED this month!!!

[Lunch Money]

[Amberience]

I like to chain up impossible signal chains and make a guitar sound like something that doesn't sound like a guitar, and I think AT2 will excel at this.

Then why are you even waiting for AT2?
GR2 is what you need....

I roll my eyes of death at you sir.

[Aural Chaos]

So AT2 will excell at "something that doesn't sound like a guitar"?

Seriously-it sounds like accurate modelling of amps is not your priority-you just want cool sounding patches.GR2 goes SO much farther than just various combinations of amps and standard fx.

[Meffy]

I roll my eyes of death at you sir.

Yay! Me next, 'kay? *grabs miniature golf putter*

[daGuru]

I reckon we need to start taking bets on how many pages this thread gunna be before AT2 is out.... I guess 100 hehe

[Amberience]

So AT2 will excell at "something that doesn't sound like a guitar"?

Seriously-it sounds like accurate modelling of amps is not your priority-you just want cool sounding patches.GR2 goes SO much farther than just various combinations of amps and standard fx.

it sounds like accurate modelling of amps is not your priority

Correct. Like I explained in my previous post, I'm less of a traditional guitarist than most. I don't want to focus on getting the tones that the Stones had in the 70's, and I don't want to get Hoobastank HI-GAIN preset 12 either.

I want to experiment!! And from the looks of it AT2 will have enough to suit my needs, Guitar Rig just doesn't look as sweet to me.

you just want cool sounding patches

WRONG! I want the ability to make COOL sounding patches.

The guitarists I admire aren't the ones who can fit 12000 notes into a 3 second trill. The guitarists I admire are those who play strings with dildo's or mobile phones, the ones who can play a single note and make it sound like a synthesised atmosphere.

Accurate AMP modelling is not my priority.

[SJ_Digriz]

The guitarists I admire are those who play strings with dildo's ........

hmmmm.....I don't think that's what the AT2 marketing literature means by vibrato.

[Amberience]

hehe.

[Sascha Franck]

Sasha, I like you too. But, in my opinion you are full of it. Just kidding!!!! I see your point. But, some people want to have their cake and eat it too. So, accurate modeling on the one hand and the ability to make your own custom hybrid as well? Works for me! Why not have more options available to you since it is a VIRTUAL world (not the same limitations and hassles of real hardware). Hey, I like that kind of stuff a lot. I am sure thousands of others do as well. To each his own eh?

I love flexibility, and fwiw, when the first programmable tube guitar head came out (a Dynacord), I bought it. Later on I bought an ADA MP1. And I had a GP-8, GP16, GS6, etc etc etc.
These days I'm mangling my guitar sound in all possible ways, using autofilters, step gates and what not.
So, as you can clearly see, I'm totally up to modern sounds and whatever.

Yet, software guitar amps promise to replicate a given amp model. So that's what they should do fine in the first place. They just aren't. At least not yet. Not at all.

I'll gladly buy some "EGP 1" ("Experiemental Guitar Processor"), but as said, AT, GR and the likes are claiming different things in the first place.

C'mon.. the advantage of software amp sims is that we can explore tones that would've been nearly impossible in the hardware world, not the least because of room sizes and cost effectiveness.

See my previous comments and you'll know I'm all up for experimental stuff. And I'm using speaker and amp simulations since the day they came out (in fact, I've almost got countless of them...), just for convenience.

I'm guessing you're more of a tradtional guitarist yes? You want your Mesa's and you want your AC30's and a handful of effects, and you're good to go.

I'm both a traditional and modern guitarist I'd say.
So I want both. AT and GR are claiming they're delivering both, and while they're excellent for experimental stuff, they fail with the traditional tones.

I like to chain up impossible signal chains and make a guitar sound like something that doesn't sound like a guitar, and I think AT2 will excel at this.

I do that all the time.
Still, I need traditional tones all the time as well, and when I'm asked to do some job, these are the tones people are asking for in the first place.

Bottomline: I love all the experimental things, but I need standard tones as well. And I've yet to play a real studio session with the producer being satisfied by what amp simulations are delivering to date.
Yes, sometimes it's also related to some sort of snobism ("oh, we used tons of amps, cabs and mics, all running into our SSL consoles..."), but that's not all there is about.
Software amps aren't there yet - but I'll gladly change this statement should there be anything proving the opposite.

[Amberience]

Fair enough, if you've got producers to appease, I can see where you're coming from. For a lowly bedroom muso such as myself though, I'd sooner encourage a lack of regard for accuracy.

[Squids]

I like to chain up impossible signal chains and make a guitar sound like something that doesn't sound like a guitar, and I think AT2 will excel at this.

Then why are you even waiting for AT2?
GR2 is what you need....

GR2 may be good for other things but it doesn't do some of the specific things that AT2 does such as the individual component modeling which allows you to make hybrid amps. That plus the modeling of the saturation and the level of accuracy of the character of the amps and stomps... it is different. However, I think NI stuff in general is great for experimenting with sound too of course. I prefer some of the synthesis and odd effects like Spectral Delay and Vokator from NI to GR though. For me, I use AmpliTube 2 and/or real guitar amps like my Vox AC30, Magnatone, Supro, Fender tweeds etc. I like small amps that go to 11. But, for sheer variety and also convenience I go to AT2. I have GR1 and it is not that I wouldn't use it. I would try it on a track (I would try ANYTHING on a track... I don't care. It ALL depends on how it sounds in the end). But, you know, each person has their favorite pieces that they go to.

Don't think that just because I do a lot with IK that I ONLY like IK software. I mean, the whole reason that I DO like to work with IK IS because I love IK software (going all the way back to the first TRackS). I am not a developer of software myself but I like to make suggestions and give my feedback. So, naturally AT2 is right up MY alley. Configurable stomp boxes (ala Bradshaw rig!), vintage authentic sound, inspiring GUI (I never liked the old AT1 GUI personally)... AT2 hits the nail on the head IMO. Granted not many of you have had the opportunity to check it out at a trade show or spend any time with it like I have. But, when you will I think there will be a majority of people that see what I see in it.

[Alan]

AT and GR are claiming they're delivering both, and while they're excellent for experimental stuff, they fail with the traditional tones.

While I haven't heard AT2 yet I pretty much agree in general,but I have occasionally gotten something close.I think whats missing might be something in the magnetic response/sustain of pickup magnets and speaker magnets,or the pushing of air.I don't really know but something is missing especially in PC sims more than the boxes.Another possibility might be sound cards or mobo ic's or some hardware link that's being overlooked.I will give AT2 a chance/listen though,maybe the breakthrough has arrived but it would have to be just that,a breakthrough,otherwise the sim in my old Roland VS-840 sounds just as good as any of them and my amp much better.I guessed I'm a little spoiled though,I'm an old guy who knew the feeling of standing in front of a Marshall Stack on stage with my ass getting massaged by that wonderful forcefull air behind me,but that was years ago and I can't do that anymore if I want to save whats left of my ears so I'm waiting for sims,especially PC sims to break that barrier.

[Sascha Franck]

So, let's hear a bit of that "vintage authentic sound".

[Vervil]

The guitarists I admire aren't the ones who can fit 12000 notes into a 3 second trill. The guitarists I admire are those who play strings with dildo's or mobile phones, the ones who can play a single note and make it sound like a synthesised atmosphere.

Mattias IA Eklundh fan, ha? Well, that guy is a monster player and fun to watch/listen at the same time for sure. And I have nothing against his tone, really.

I agree with Sascha's post. Even just by using pure marketing logic: If there is a possibility to get "Messa at 11" type of sound out of Amplitube 2, they should sell it as separate plug, just simple head and few different boxes for 100 bucks and make some serious money. No one has achived that emulation or anything HiGain right, so there is a really big market. Same goes for some other specific sounds people know and love. So it automatically makes me think that
1) Amplitube 2 cannot do all stuff good enough still, or
2)IK Multimedia staff have no idea about their Market.

Having zillion combinations is nice, and may be good for a hype, but so many guitarists have got their unique, easily distinguishable sounds from just a few same combinations of amps and guitars. For me it is more of a problem than something positive, to have too much possibilities. I know a lot of people that just want to plug, choose an amp, customize it fast with just a few tweaks and have something excelent coming out of the speakers. I mean, how worse it can get than guitar rig, I have tried it once and just to make rhythm chugga chugga sound that is half decent I had to experiment with pedals and heads and diferent cab and mic combinations for more then an hour.
I think that this is where manufacturers of hardware sims got it better, you can just choose amp and box and you instantly hear something usable in most cases.

[SJ_Digriz]

While I haven't heard AT2 yet I pretty much agree in general,but I have occasionally gotten something close.I think whats missing might be something in the magnetic response/sustain of pickup magnets and speaker magnets,or the pushing of air.I don't really know but something is missing especially in PC sims more than the boxes.Another possibility might be sound cards or mobo ic's or some hardware link that's being overlooked......

There are so many facets of "vintage tone" that are missing.

I think that part of the confusion created is that "vintage" sound seems to be religated to a specific sound. It really has little to do with a specific tone. It has to do with the ability for the tone to be controlled by the player in a dynamic way.

For example, setting the guitar/amp at a clean tone just at the edge of distortion allowing the player to create a little growl by finger pressure or pick pressure.

Or, with a Tele/Twin setup WITH NO EFFECTS other than what is on the twin you can create a Wah effect just by how/where you strike the strings.

One of my favorite guitar tones is a strat into a completely over-driven AC-30 with NO EFFECTS. I have yet to hear a sim of any kind even remotely get close to that sound.

Those are just a few examples where amp sims just don't work if you are a guitar player. There are many many many many more.

However, I still love to play around with them. They are a ton of fun.