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Bigg John · Post by **Bigg John** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:01 pm

djsubject wrote:
vs terrorism
yea sombody needs to do somthing about the USA & the UK

biggist bunch of terrorist's i'v ever seen!

oil prices any one?

DWb · Post by **DWb** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:04 pm

Yep. It's time to wipe out those evil corporate whores at Constellation, Dischord, Leaf, Fierce Panda, Ninja Tunes, Soma, Def Jux and so on and so on...

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:06 pm

vurt wrote:the cardiacs rock!
i prefer poisoned elektrick head tho

Never heard of PPE, but yeah, the Cardiacs rock!

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:07 pm

DWb wrote:Yep. It's time to wipe out those evil corporate whores at Constellation, Dischord, Leaf, Fierce Panda, Ninja Tunes, Soma, Def Jux and so on and so on...

I'm pretty sure those labels people actually buy their stuff.

pitchdrifter · Post by **pitchdrifter** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:08 pm

The majors are on their way out anyway, they have no business sense. Every afghan newspaper stand owner understands more of economy than they do. Lots of labels making profit, they don't whine all day about piracy this and piracy that either, they're busy making money.
And it's not about music being free - artists hardly make money from selling records anyway. 90%+ of the artists with major labels end up owing the label money, while the labels make no profit, even though they sold 300,000 units. They are too *dumb* to make money.
That they have such insane conglomerates and influence the legistlative body like they have been is a very unfortunate situation. That the legislatures in the US and EU goes along with it, is worst of all. It won't be long until the people who were 'freed' when the iron curtain fell will wish it hadn't fallen, then they'd be in a better situation than they'll soon be.

Bigg John · Post by **Bigg John** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:50 pm

DWb wrote:Yep. It's time to wipe out those evil corporate whores at Constellation, Dischord, Leaf, Fierce Panda, Ninja Tunes, Soma, Def Jux and so on and so on...

I assume that these are little, specialized companies that are getting hurt. That Sux, and to be honest, I actually didn't think about that.

But, If they can put out a great quality product and keep prices low, then I think they'll survive. I hope so anyway.

I'm not against success at any level, but when you put all these billions in the hand of what... a half-dozen majors, it's just a recipe for corruption. If they were busted up into say 30 or 40 smaller companies, the record industry would be 1000% better off

If there was this much competition, there would not be the opportunity to fix prices, artists would get far better contracts, and Hey!!.... they might actually put out a product that i would BUY... (imagine that). AND, as a bonus, they wouldn't have all this spare money lying around for them to give to their lobbists to give to politicians

Yes Sir, these companies you mentioned would be MUCH better off if the majors ceased to exists as we know them

Bigg John · Post by **Bigg John** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:52 pm

xRAVENx wrote:The majors are on their way out anyway, they have no business sense. Every afghan newspaper stand owner understands more of economy than they do. Lots of labels making profit, they don't whine all day about piracy this and piracy that either, they're busy making money.
And it's not about music being free - artists hardly make money from selling records anyway. 90%+ of the artists with major labels end up owing the label money, while the labels make no profit, even though they sold 300,000 units. They are too *dumb* to make money.
That they have such insane conglomerates and influence the legistlative body like they have been is a very unfortunate situation. That the legislatures in the US and EU goes along with it, is worst of all. It won't be long until the people who were 'freed' when the iron curtain fell will wish it hadn't fallen, then they'd be in a better situation than they'll soon be.

couldn't have said it better myself

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 3:54 pm

Using this legislation to help in the 'fight' against 'terrorism' I can just about understand (although the definition of terrorist, as opposed to 'freedom fighter' etc. is problematic - as is the definition of what 'supporting' terrorism is), not that i'm agreeing with it - it is too complex a subject & I haven't enough information on it.
BUT just what fuckin planet do these wankers live on, do they honestly think that the public will equate the potential loss of freedom/privacy we may all suffer in order to combat horrific acts of terrorism (such as 9/11 or the london tubes - with their loss of innocent lives) with them trying to combat 'piracy' - they aren't in the same ballpark, the same league or the same fuckin universe - these guys are smoking way too much of something.
Unfrickinbelievable, i've been following this since I saw a reference to it the other week.
Personally i'm having a word with my MP (who is a friend of my dad's luckily) & i'm going to try & get the word out to as many people as possible - this should be headline news as it's just plain wrong that these fuckin leeches are trying to piggyback in on this legislation - it shows no consideration for those who have lost love ones through acts of terror - how dare they try & equate terrorism & fuckin piracy?
Sony BMG etal rifling through my email's, phone records, web logs? f**k 'em.
The potential for abuse is massive anyway - never mind once those vultures are allowed to peruse those records - or get the police whoever to do it for them.
seething angry, fuckin seething - "c**ts!!!!!

Ildon · Post by **Ildon** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:00 pm

Just one more reason why I can't wait to get the hell out of this place.

f**king bullshit.

discretemachine · Post by **discretemachine** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:02 pm

You gotta crack some eggs to make an omelet...

Yep. It's time to wipe out those evil corporate whores at Constellation, Dischord, Leaf, Fierce Panda, Ninja Tunes, Soma, Def Jux and so on and so on...

I am willing to sacrefice small record companies to wipe out the big ones.

I don't think Amon Tobin will stop making music if Ninja Tune went bust...??

A record company , big or small, is not responisble for the music. Only distribution and marketing. Guess what it costs to print a CD ?? now, guess why you have to pay 20- 30 $ for said a cd...

Let it all run free, and see what kind of artists who will continue to release albums \ make music.

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diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:17 pm

f**k!!!:

When it voted on Wednesday, the European parliamentary committee on civil liberties did keep the word "serious", but only as defined in the European arrest warrant, which includes piracy.

if IPRED2 is passed (legislation that would make filesharing a criminal, not civil, offense), Europe's tax payers will have to pick up the tab for the prosecutions.

The directive will now go to the European Council, who may chose to reject of the parliamentary committee's amendments, before proceeding to a plenary vote on 13 December. It is only slated to get one reading in parliament, and MEPs will have a matter of days to examine the text before the vote

The new draft obliges communications providers to retain all telephone and internet traffic data for a year (phone calls) and six months (internet data), but it also requires governments to compensate businesses for the costs they will incur in so doing.

So it has been passed by the parliamentary commitee, & in it's amended form will include 'piracy' as a serious offence, prosecutions will be criminal (paid for by the taxpayer) & the taxpayer will also have to compensate the data providers for the cost of data retention.
Jesus I hope the european council has a bit more fuckin sense (but then they're going to be severely lobbied by some very powerful & influential transnational codrporations here - wonder how many vested interests there are, how many directorships & free tickets to fuckin disneyland?) or they are actually going to get away with it.
How the f**k can this have happened?
Did I fall asleep for a year or two whilst the media-corps took over the planet rather than just dreamt about it?
& many argued that anti-terrorist legislation would only ever be used for that purpose, that the whole infringement of civil liberties 'slippery slope' argument was unfounded scaremongering.
This is the slippery slope, & we're sliding down it right now.
Legislation meant ostensibly to combat terrorism being hijacked by corporations - wonderful precedent - what next?

Colonel Flashback · Post by **Colonel Flashback** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:27 pm

nuffink wrote:My local multiplex has this...

...posted in the foyer.

OMG...i thought you were taking the piss but that thing is real?!

Maybe the downloading of MP3s is the cause of global warming?

nuffink · Post by **nuffink** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:33 pm

Colonel Flashback wrote:
nuffink wrote:My local multiplex has this...

...posted in the foyer.
OMG...i thought you were taking the piss but that thing is real?!
Maybe the downloading of MP3s is the cause of global warming?

It's real. The iconography is quite interesting. The terrorist is portrayed with an armalite and a balaclava identifying him, in the UK at least, as a member of the provisional IRA. An organisation which always knew where it's next dollar was coming from without having to sell any hooky DVD's.

DWb · Post by **DWb** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:35 pm

diverdee wrote:Using this legislation to help in the 'fight' against 'terrorism' I can just about understand (although the definition of terrorist, as opposed to 'freedom fighter' etc. is problematic - as is the definition of what 'supporting' terrorism is), not that i'm agreeing with it - it is too complex a subject & I haven't enough information on it.

'Freedom fighters' are defined by their goals, 'terrorists' by their tactics: the same group can be either, neither or both. But yeah, I see your point.

BUT just what fcukin planet do these wankers live on, do they honestly think that the public will equate the potential loss of freedom/privacy we may all suffer in order to combat horrific acts of terrorism (such as 9/11 or the london tubes - with their loss of innocent lives) with them trying to combat 'piracy' - they aren't in the same ballpark, the same league or the same fcukin universe - these guys are smoking way too much of something.
Unfrickinbelievable, i've been following this since I saw a reference to it the other week.
Personally i'm having a word with my MP (who is a friend of my dad's luckily) & i'm going to try & get the word out to as many people as possible - this should be headline news as it's just plain wrong that these fcukin leeches are trying to piggyback in on this legislation - it shows no consideration for those who have lost love ones through acts of terror - how dare they try & equate terrorism & fcukin piracy?
Sony BMG etal rifling through my email's, phone records, web logs? fcuk 'em.
The potential for abuse is massive anyway - never mind once those vultures are allowed to peruse those records - or get the police whoever to do it for them.
seething angry, fcukin seething - "c**ts!!!!!

Yep, that, along with your next post, is pretty much my view on the matter.

DWb · Post by **DWb** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:41 pm

discretemachine wrote: I don't think Amon Tobin will stop making music if Ninja Tune went bust...??

No but he might have to get a shit day job that leaves him too knackered at the end of the day to get tracks out more than once in a blue moon, he might have to sell his equipment to feed the family, and so on...

A lot of small record labels consist entirely of very devoted people doing their absolute best to get fantastic music to reach as many people as possible. I quite like that aspect oif the music business, and I'm happy to tolerate the existence of EMI in exchange for keeping Leaf. Provided that something is done about the stupid lobbying power that lets these greedy f**ks change the law to suit themselves.

downloading music vs terrorism