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Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 4:44 pm

The solution is pretty simple: Stop treating music like a f**king commodity. It's more than that, even Amon Tobin probably just regards music as a product and nothing more.

That is bullshit. Music is (without getting bogged down in hippy BS) energy and lifeforce, rejuvenation on a small portable disc. It only becomes utter shit when people disrespect its worth.

chagzuki · Post by **chagzuki** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 5:01 pm

" Media companies want to take advantage of laws designed to counter terrorism."

The 'war on terror' shite is an excuse for these laws to be passed. Blair is keen to follow Bush in this respect. Nasty, nasty situation.

DWb · Post by **DWb** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:02 pm

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DWb · Post by **DWb** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:11 pm

Andrew Vernon wrote:The solution is pretty simple: Stop treating music like a fkucing commodity. It's more than that, even Amon Tobin probably just regards music as a product and nothing more.

That is bullshit. Music is (without getting bogged down in hippy BS) energy and lifeforce, rejuvenation on a small portable disc. It only becomes utter shit when people disrespect its worth.

Sorry, what? How long has wanting to be able to immerse yourself in making the music you love all day and not have to work your arse off flipping burgers to stay alive been treating music like a commodity? And how does putting your music on a CD and selling it disrespect its worth?

Yeah, I'd love to be in a world where great musicians have people bearing a path to their door to present them with home grown food and hand made clothing out of gratitude for the wonderful music they're making, but for the moment, musicians are going to have to sully themselves by selling their music if they want to devote themselves to their art 24/7. And I'd really rather they did.

james0tucson · Post by **james0tucson** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:12 pm

lavoll wrote:"if you can spy on people to fight terrorism, then we should be allowed to spy on people to fight pirates".

Piracy *is* a form of terrorism. However, Copyright infringement is a civil damage. If you want to assert increased privileges carried by copyright, I'll be satisfied provided that the rights are equally granted to *all* people, that is, any law passed in the US passes Equal Protection muster.

Why?

Because any rights granted to a media corporation are also granted to me, since there can't be several classes of copyright reserved for one class of citizen and a different set for another -- at least not in the US.

All this "anti-terrorism" talk does, at the end of the day, is to provide a defense against improper discovery in a civil suit. A ham-handed approach to granting special privileges to a class of people, will eventually provide legal precedent that can be used in ways the original lobbyists never intended.

Oh, and if you want to apply anti-terrorism or even wartime defense laws against lawless privateers comandeering public or private transportation conveyances, to wit, boarding ships at sea, confiscating their cargo, and killing their crew and passengers, I'm down with that too.

diverdee · Post by **diverdee** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 6:30 pm

Well i'm going to draft an email for the mep's concerned & also my local MP.
I'm also going to take it into work & try to get as many people as possible to send copies of it also.
These powers used for the fighting of terrorism organized crime I can understand-ish, but I really don't like where this is going.
As I work for a company with telecoms & ISP concerns (telewest) I should hpefully be able to get a fair few people involved, as we would essentially be forced by this law (if passed in favour of the CMBA) to do a shit load of work on behalf of these companies.
Doing this work to combat terrorism I reckon people who work at telewest could understand & accept for the most part, but doing work on behalf of these huge media conglomerates - I believe that is going to piss a lot of people off.

Bigg John · Post by **Bigg John** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:09 pm

DWb wrote:
Andrew Vernon wrote:The solution is pretty simple: Stop treating music like a fkucing commodity. It's more than that, even Amon Tobin probably just regards music as a product and nothing more.

That is bullshit. Music is (without getting bogged down in hippy BS) energy and lifeforce, rejuvenation on a small portable disc. It only becomes utter shit when people disrespect its worth.
Sorry, what? How long has wanting to be able to immerse yourself in making the music you love all day and not have to work your arse off flipping burgers to stay alive been treating music like a commodity? And how does putting your music on a CD and selling it disrespect its worth?

Yeah, I'd love to be in a world where great musicians have people bearing a path to their door to present them with home grown food and hand made clothing out of gratitude for the wonderful music they're making, but for the moment, musicians are going to have to sully themselves by selling their music if they want to devote themselves to their art 24/7. And I'd really rather they did.

I am with ya, but all i'm saying is that IF you limit the coorporate share of the pie, everybody else, especially the Artist, will make a lot more cash.

Actually, what would probably happen, is that a lot more people could make a living playing music. especially now that production costs have become dirt cheap to the average musician.

It all just depends on how much elbow grease you apply to the situation

discretemachine · Post by **discretemachine** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:40 pm

I find that, more often than not, the artist does his or hers best work when beeing broke...(i.e. without a record company)

What I am saying is : the the record company has little relevance either way. You may or may not record better music with a financial backing \ glooming pressure of a record company.

The practical function of the record company has been distribution and marketing ( forcing people to notice the artist they are pushing / selling ) I find this function to be void in this time and age.

There are tons of sites, legal and illegal where an artist may present his latest output, to a much bigger audience than a record company can do with "regular" means.

I love to discover new bands \ music I have never ever heard of.

....and while we're at it : if the big record companies ( and the small with them )dissapear, the be-dumbing music press will vanish with them ! The music press has been nothing but a bunch of lifestyle magazines in the last decade. I can't remember last time I "discovered" a band through a "music" magazine....again, a free, net based alternative saved the day

...or at least it's better than the most of the rubbish going through print...Pitchfork.

YMMW though
d

Bigg John · Post by **Bigg John** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 7:58 pm

discretemachine wrote:I find that, more often than not, the artist does his or hers best work when beeing broke...(i.e. without a record company)

What I am saying is : the the record company has little relevance either way. You may or may not record better music with a financial backing \ glooming pressure of a record company.

The practical function of the record company has been distribution and marketing ( forcing people to notice the artist they are pushing / selling ) I find this function to be void in this time and age.

There are tons of sites, legal and illegal where an artist may present his latest output, to a much bigger audience than a record company can do with "regular" means.

I love to discover new bands \ music I have never ever heard of.

....and while we're at it : if the big record companies ( and the small with them )dissapear, the be-dumbing music press will vanish with them ! The music press has been nothing but a bunch of lifestyle magazines in the last decade. I can't remember last time I "discovered" a band through a "music" magazine....again, a free, net based alternative saved the day ...or at least it's better than the most of the rubbish going through print...Pitchfork.

YMMW though
d

Yes, That would be a major plus

xoxos · Post by **xoxos** » Mon Nov 28, 2005 8:02 pm

Andrew Vernon wrote:Stop treating music like a fkucing commodity.

...just music??

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 12:58 am

DWb wrote:
Andrew Vernon wrote:The solution is pretty simple: Stop treating music like a fkucing commodity. It's more than that, even Amon Tobin probably just regards music as a product and nothing more.

That is bullshit. Music is (without getting bogged down in hippy BS) energy and lifeforce, rejuvenation on a small portable disc. It only becomes utter shit when people disrespect its worth.
Sorry, what? How long has wanting to be able to immerse yourself in making the music you love all day and not have to work your arse off flipping burgers to stay alive been treating music like a commodity? And how does putting your music on a CD and selling it disrespect its worth?

Yeah, I'd love to be in a world where great musicians have people bearing a path to their door to present them with home grown food and hand made clothing out of gratitude for the wonderful music they're making, but for the moment, musicians are going to have to sully themselves by selling their music if they want to devote themselves to their art 24/7. And I'd really rather they did.

Please read what I said. I never said immersing yourself in music is like treating it as a commodity, please, don't infer things that have no grounds in what I said.

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:04 am

discretemachine wrote:I find that, more often than not, the artist does his or hers best work when beeing broke...(i.e. without a record company)

What I am saying is : the the record company has little relevance either way. You may or may not record better music with a financial backing \ glooming pressure of a record company.

The practical function of the record company has been distribution and marketing ( forcing people to notice the artist they are pushing / selling ) I find this function to be void in this time and age.

There are tons of sites, legal and illegal where an artist may present his latest output, to a much bigger audience than a record company can do with "regular" means.

I love to discover new bands \ music I have never ever heard of.

....and while we're at it : if the big record companies ( and the small with them )dissapear, the be-dumbing music press will vanish with them ! The music press has been nothing but a bunch of lifestyle magazines in the last decade. I can't remember last time I "discovered" a band through a "music" magazine....again, a free, net based alternative saved the day ...or at least it's better than the most of the rubbish going through print...Pitchfork.

YMMW though
d

ah! a follower of my happiness kills creativity theory...

FaX · Post by **FaX** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:21 am

Andrew Vernon wrote: Music is (without getting bogged down in hippy BS) energy and lifeforce, rejuvenation on a small portable disc. It only becomes utter shit when people disrespect its worth.

WORD

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discretemachine · Post by **discretemachine** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:25 am

ah! a follower of my happiness kills creativity theory...

..in a way yes...

But, how does your theory go ?

It's a pisser this one, cause 9 out of 10 times,the poor \ struggeling and broke artist or, in your case, the unhappy artist is aiming to please the general public.( Francis Ford Coppolas "The Godfather"...Mozarts "Requiem"...etc..etc..) His very aim is mediocracy. He wants out of his misery / pay his bills. That sure isn't a very healthy place for creativety, no ?

( just for the record: The godfather and Requiem is both genious and the very best piece of work the abovementioned doodlers have ever done....but their motivation was not so "noble" as the motivation behind some of their lesser works..)

Whilst the fat f**k, with bling bling up his arse, who probably don't have to work another day in his life, could do whatever he wanted. One should think he was more inclined towards "the new" and original ? if, for no other reason, to "check it out"..see what happends...he can affor the luxury of "weird".
But then there is greed I guess...

So, where does that leave us ?
get yourself a heft debt...
strap some bombs around your belly
screw the bank..(make sure no relatives inherit your debt)
and laugh to kingdom come..

d

vurt · Post by **vurt** » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:30 am

discretemachine wrote:
ah! a follower of my happiness kills creativity theory...
..in a way yes...

But, how does your theory go ?

mines pretty simple,i like the music i make when im miserable far more than the music i make when im happy.plus when im happy i can sit for days not getting anywhere,when im miserable i have days where i cant stop

i need a happy medium,perhaps where i can be miserable for say 10 hours a day whilst at the pc,happy for a bit while i cook and clean and stuff and family time and relaxing 10 hours and sleep 4 that would work

downloading music vs terrorism